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Old April 1st, 2018, 03:03 PM   #91
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The bed-wetters all ignore a fact.... Yes guns are a common denominator....so is air...In the '60s we had guns in school.....I graduated from Parkland High School (In Pa. that is) and hunting is a big deal in Pa. Student's cars with guns in them were all over the parking lot in hunting season.... Then we had a rifle team....I know for a fact a few of the male teachers had guns in their desks..... Why didn't we have these problems then.??

Minds capable of critical thinking (this leaves snowflakes and bed-wetters out) will ask "what has changed??....and address that....
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The bed-wetters all ignore a fact.... Yes guns are a common denominator....so is air...In the '60s we had guns in school.....I graduated from Parkland High School (In Pa. that is) and hunting is a big deal in Pa. Student's cars with guns in them were all over the parking lot in hunting season.... Then we had a rifle team....I know for a fact a few of the male teachers had guns in their desks..... Why didn't we have these problems then.??
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I think a lot of that has to do with 'Progressive', legalist-style policies regarding low-level violence, which are now punished as though something serious actually happened. This makes it nearly impossible for kids facing bullying in school of a passive-aggressive type to stand up for themselves (because they would likely get suspended, expelled, and/or face permanent legal trouble). Then, the pain and resentment build up under the surface, unaddressed for a long period of time, until they finally erupt--like a volcano. Note: I have a longer post about this in the 'Free Speech' thread.
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The bed-wetters all ignore a fact.... Yes guns are a common denominator....so is air...In the '60s we had guns in school.....I graduated from Parkland High School (In Pa. that is) and hunting is a big deal in Pa. Student's cars with guns in them were all over the parking lot in hunting season.... Then we had a rifle team....I know for a fact a few of the male teachers had guns in their desks..... Why didn't we have these problems then.??

Minds capable of critical thinking (this leaves snowflakes and bed-wetters out) will ask "what has changed??....and address that....
What do you suggest ?

That was a different time, and different circumstances.
Today, people use semiautomatic weapons in mass shootings, back then they didn't.

That's the way society, someone fucks it up and everyone has to suffer.
Back then, semi automatic weapons weren't a big problem, today they are.
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What do you suggest ?
1st ...get rid of the gun free school zones...2nd... armed security...3rd.. lets stop with the anti-gun rhetoric and causing an even bigger problem by polarizing gun owners and 4th....lets look at what has changed since then??



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That was a different time, and different circumstances.
So What??....find out what circumstances have changed

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Today, people use semiautomatic weapons in mass shootings, back then they didn't.
....But, they still had them, I remember bomb scares...

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That's the way society, someone fucks it up and everyone has to suffer.
Right....like innocent law-abiding gun owners

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Back then, semi automatic weapons weren't a big problem, today they are.
Again....So What??....It's been pointed out add nauseum that take away the guns and the nuts will find some other way of causing mayhem.....The answer is to figure out exactly what is driving these loose canons to creating the mayhem in the first place.... I'll start with 40 years of teachers feeding these young skulls full of mush liberal pablum...
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I think a lot of that has to do with 'Progressive', legalist-style policies regarding low-level violence, which are now punished as though something serious actually happened. This makes it nearly impossible for kids facing bullying in school of a passive-aggressive type to stand up for themselves (because they would likely get suspended, expelled, and/or face permanent legal trouble). Then, the pain and resentment build up under the surface, unaddressed for a long period of time, until they finally erupt--like a volcano. Note: I have a longer post about this in the 'Free Speech' thread.
Your post contains far more insight into the problem than anything the left is coming up with.....I see it going all the way back to my generation '50s and '60s....The War protesters....goaded on and influenced by the ultra left professors of the day...they raised another generation (X) that passed it on to the current snowflake generation who are now passing it on to a 4th generation..

Freedom from life's travails has a negative effect on the maturation process.. Today's millennials are still adolescents, have not matured yet they are raising a new generation that is completely clueless....See David Hogg...
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I think a lot of that has to do with 'Progressive', legalist-style policies regarding low-level violence, which are now punished as though something serious actually happened. This makes it nearly impossible for kids facing bullying in school of a passive-aggressive type to stand up for themselves (because they would likely get suspended, expelled, and/or face permanent legal trouble). Then, the pain and resentment build up under the surface, unaddressed for a long period of time, until they finally erupt--like a volcano. Note: I have a longer post about this in the 'Free Speech' thread.
I agree with that 100 percent.

I was a tall guy with curly red hair, fight magnet. I threw the first punch one time, but was in my share of fights.

We "settled" things blowing off a bunch of steam, and sometimes became good friends once one of us said "uncle."
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Your post contains far more insight into the problem than anything the left is coming up with.....I see it going all the way back to my generation '50s and '60s....The War protesters....goaded on and influenced by the ultra left professors of the day...they raised another generation (X) that passed it on to the current snowflake generation who are now passing it on to a 4th generation.....
One of your fairy tales Jimbo?

Our generation had good parents and we received a good public school education. We, me and my friends, protested the damned war because it was wrong. You didn't figure that out. Hopefully you have by now.

We didn't need anyone to tell us the war was wrong. Thanks to our well-rounded education and the high standards demanded of us, we saw on our own, sorta like seeing that segregation was wrong. Did you need someone to point out that for you, that segregation was wrong?

I raised excellent children by anyone's measure. My grandsons are exemplary, too.
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One of your fairy tales Jimbo?

Our generation had good parents and we received a good public school education. We, me and my friends, protested the damned war because it was wrong. You didn't figure that out. Hopefully you have by now.

We didn't need anyone to tell us the war was wrong. Thanks to our well-rounded education and the high standards demanded of us, we saw on our own, sorta like seeing that segregation was wrong. Did you need someone to point out that for you, that segregation was wrong?

I raised excellent children by anyone's measure. My grandsons are exemplary, too.
Doesn’t it strike you as weird that the “party of personal responsibility” always points the finger of blame away from the individual ?
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Private companies have a lot of problem with accountability as well. It is difficult to see how to fully remedy the situation, as ultimately, groups are necessarily going to have to be afforded certain powers in order to perform in their sphere of influence or otherwise hold others responsible for their failures.

Do you have any thoughts on this?
Yes. I believe some tasks are better performed by government, or tightly regulated monopolies.

Outsourcing allows crooked politicians to reward their friends.

A friend of mine worked as a county surveyor till he retired. Now the job is outsourced. The surveyors now don't really have a clue, according to him.

His county road recently was repaved. The surveyors sorta missed the right of way and moved the road almost onto his property, tearing out some of his fencing in the process.

He showed them on the plat that they were not accounting for the ROW. They ignored him. He got on the phone. The county surveyor in-name-only "official" came out and acknowledged the mistake, moved the road, and rebuilt his fence. He offered an apology.

The private side cannot do everything better than the public side. Both/and works better than either/or.
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I agree with that 100 percent.

I was a tall guy with curly red hair, fight magnet. I threw the first punch one time, but was in my share of fights.

We "settled" things blowing off a bunch of steam, and sometimes became good friends once one of us said "uncle."
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Yes, exactly. It is the model used in sports, I would add. For instance, in basketball, there are all sorts of mechanisms inside the context of the game where one can directly confront another person that is abusing them in some way (e.g. talking smack, being overly rough, etc.). Since they are able to stand up for themselves in these low level affairs, it all becomes 'water under the bridge', and healthy boundaries are set. Actually, as you said, typically people will get a newfound respect for one another when they see they are both willing to stand up for themselves and not be treated poorly--this is the basis for friendships; it is healthy and normal. Take that away, and all these little abuses build up, and up, and up, with no way of addressing it. Eventually, there is only so much a person can take before they either (A) Fold (B ) Fight back--though, now that the issue has built so much, 'fighting back' becomes 'explode entirely/self-destruct'.

Generally, I think the model of sports should be used outside the court and in the everyday social realm as well--most particularly for kids growing up in k-college.
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