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Old March 31st, 2018, 01:07 PM   #31
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Redundant. We have too many gun threads as it is.
Then stop Starting them..

I already called you out and corrected your false statement that White Christians are more likely to be mass shooters.


16% of all mass shooters are Black 12% of the population.. 70% of the population is Caucasian ony 56% of mass shooters are white.
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Due to the potential of being held more accountable? Or, are there other big reasons as well?
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It amazes me that the same people who argue 9/11, Middle East hatred/violence toward the West/US, etc. is at least partly predicated on Foreign Policy abuses by the West (i.e. unintended 'blowback'), do not take a similar stance as it relates to school shootings, but rather scapegoat the choice weapon of violence as the root cause. That is, does anyone doubt that (most) of these kids lives were made into a 'living Hell' by their peers, other people, etc. through bullying, extreme social rejection, etc. such as they often explicitly claim? If not, why do you doubt it--on what evidence(?) If so, why is not being addressed, sufficiently--but made peripheral(?) Attempt to explain how the two concepts are not related; if that is your position.

Note: When I say it 'amazes me...', I know why this happens (and it is unsurprising)--I am just asking for people to remain logically consistent and stand by their own claimed views/principles.
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I would add; where are all of the hyper-empathetic SJW-types when these kids are perpetually & endlessly neglected and abused for all of those years leading to up to the final 'explosion'? Wait...that's right--they are not there (or otherwise, are often contributing to it, indistinguishable from the other people) because their 'socio-political affiliations' are just bullsh't people say in order to claim (pseudo)moral high-ground, based on merely words rather than action. They can 'talk-the-talk' but not 'walk-the-walk'. Whether or not people truly have any 'moral backbone' worth discussing is often independent of religious and/or political affiliation, and comes down to the individual alone. (Note: Steven Crowder has a good video which helps expose this, link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9zIzIePjpo )
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Old March 31st, 2018, 01:33 PM   #34
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What did I say?
We had armed guards at mass shootings, the shooter knew they were there, it didn't stop the shooting.

And we've had teachers with guns, accidentally shooting students.

Good guys with guns don't stop bad guys with guns.

What stops mass shootings is banning semi automatic weapons.
That's what really works.
But you do not want to ban semi automatic weapons. You just want to remove them from private citizens and concentrate further the monopoly on violence into the hands of the state. So only the people who will have access to these weapons in your utopian fantasy are people that the state grants permission to wear special costumes.

So in other words on one hand you applaud the people whi kneel during the national anthem because the police are murderous racists. But you want them to be the only people w/ guns. You #resist trumps fascist regime but you want them to be the only people w/ guns. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Then again you leftists are not known for being logical.
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But you do not want to ban semi automatic weapons. You just want to remove them from private citizens and concentrate further the monopoly on violence into the hands of the state. So only the people who will have access to these weapons in your utopian fantasy are people that the state grants permission to wear special costumes.
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Yes--then the question(s) becomes; Who gets to be an authority, under what criteria, and how do we know they can be trusted? What safeguards are there in place if it turns out they cannot be trusted with that type of power; if any?
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Due to the potential of being held more accountable? Or, are there other big reasons as well?
Yes. That is a major one. Also you can terminate their services if they are inadequate. Their employment requires them to preform. The state is a monopoly. They are just there regardless of their performance. Take the most recent example the Florida tragedy. That entire department would be replaced if they were private contractors, in fact the school (or city depending on who their contract was with) could potentially sue them for failure to preform. Instead they scapegoated one person as the person allegedly incharge of the whole shebang went about on the national stage passing blame on everyone under the sun besides his own lap and continues to draw a check. This is not even getting into pensions, unions and the "blue wall".


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Yes. That is a major one. Also you can terminate their services if they are inadequate. Their employment requires them to preform. The state is a monopoly. They are just there regardless of their performance.
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As for being held accountable, I can certainly see your reasoning. For instance, I know as Security, you have to be very careful about when, and under what conditions you use 'force', as you could potentially quickly find yourself in a lot of trouble if it were deemed 'inappropriate'--while the Police (who we often worked alongside) basically knew nothing could touch them (and peoples true faces tend to come out when they are on the top of the hierarchy). Now, do not interpret my comment to say that 'the police are corrupt (or Security, people in power, etc.)', rather, many people are morally average (with a not very high standard for the average), so giving people near monopoly on power without a proper vetting/meritocratic process, is bound to problematic.
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As for being held accountable, I can certainly see your reasoning. For instance, I know as Security, you have to be very careful about when, and under what conditions you use 'force', as you could potentially quickly find yourself in a lot of trouble if it were deemed 'inappropriate'--while the Police (who we often worked alongside) basically knew nothing could touch them (and peoples true faces tend to come out when they are on the top of the hierarchy). Now, do not interpret my comment to say that 'the police are corrupt (or Security, people in power, etc.)', rather, many people are morally average (with a not very high standard for the average), so giving people near monopoly on power without a proper vetting/meritocratic process, is bound to problematic.
It is ridiculous who we allow police to have that much power in our society in this day and age and from my understanding the stipulations for police to use deadly force are much looser than those of our military in live war zones. Absolutely amazing.

We just let that cop who murdered the lady who called them from his car...accross his sitting partner out 9n $400k bail. Our cops murder someone every year here.
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It is ridiculous who we allow to have that much power in our society in this day and age and from my understanding the stipulations for police to use deadly force are much looser than those of our military in live war zones. Absolutely amazing.

We just let that cop who murdered the lady who called them from his car...accross his sitting partner out 9n $400k bail. Our cops murder someone every year here.
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Yes. There was a cop on the Joe Rogan show (I can't recall his name), well worth watch, that addresses some of this. Now, I don't agree with everything he claimed, though one part I would like to focus in on I definitely agree--Cops who were ex-military were far superior/qualified for the job. He talks about how the 'training' to become a police officer is so low, that even after passing a person is not necessarily nearly qualified for the magnitude of the position--while those who served in the military are easily qualified, particularly if they did armed combat of some sort. Those with little skill and/or experience tend to either (A) crumble under the weight of a confrontational situation (B ) become far too 'jumpy' as they know they have little ability to control the situation if they cannot get the other to yield of their own will quickly. Conversely, those who are skilled and/or highly experienced tend to remain calm, cool, and collected as they know they are able to handle the situation--which helps disarm it and leads to fewer incidents. I saw this dynamic play out all the time as a guard, just on a comparatively smaller scale to the police (because the stakes are lower).
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Give me a private contractor over a government employee any day of the week.
Yes, yes, who wouldn't prefer Kellogg, Brown and Root's electrified showers to regular ol' showers, which are so boring?

Private always better, private always better, private always better, private always better, private always better, private always better, private always better, private always better, private always better,.....

Mindless memes like that seem to dominate your thinking, and all Lord Trump subjects.
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