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Old April 1st, 2018, 08:48 AM   #61
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What Chinese schools do

China has the right idea about how to protect their school children. Most schools have walls, fences around their campus and gates with security.
That's something that's needed to keep bad people from coming in and trying to steal kids.

Our problem is kids can get a hold of guns these days. Giving a teacher a gun will help protect students in a dire situation. On the other hand, it could cause an accident to happen, like the student gets ahold of the teachers gun or the teacher looses their temper and draws it to take control of the class.
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Do you have any examples of removing the regulations and allowing people to "interact organically? I mean, examples of when this approached was used and it produced favorable outcomes.
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The Security company I worked for already had guards with gun certification who were standardly used more frequently in city environment, with high crowd levels, where violent acts are much more likely. It functioned smoothly, and the gun present certainly functions as a deterrent--even people who are suicidal typically want to meet their end on their own terms, which means the threat of an unpleasant, untimely demise can potentially be effective.
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All you have to do is look at the Chicago Public School system as an example to stop gun violence in schools.
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China has the right idea about how to protect their school children. Most schools have walls, fences around their campus and gates with security.
That's something that's needed to keep bad people from coming in and trying to steal kids.

Our problem is kids can get a hold of guns these days. Giving a teacher a gun will help protect students in a dire situation. On the other hand, it could cause an accident to happen, like the student gets ahold of the teachers gun or the teacher looses their temper and draws it to take control of the class.
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Yes, honestly, I really do not like the idea of teachers having guns (or lethal weapons) in the classroom. Frankly, there is already too strict of an authority structure set up, and I would not want to feed into that dynamic anymore than already is (or is absolutely necessary to impart the information sufficiently).
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Honestly, I do not know what the objection is. Police are already present at public school functions, with guns, semi-frequently; for instance, sporting events, sometimes dances, occasionally they will show up during the regular school day when 'making the rounds', etc. Why not just extend it a bit more and give the private security team the tools they typically would already have? Currently, if something like this happened (i.e. shooter on site), then there would be a team of unarmed Security that would be in a nearly identical position to the kids, staff, etc.--all they could realistically do is call the police, provide first aid, and wait.
The answer is simple...The lying gun grabbers want to be able to use the school shootings as a tool to confiscate weapons....If there were armed security in these schools the school shooters would simply find another soft target to hit... Or simply resort to some other form of mayhem, like suicide bombing.... The last thing the gun grabbers want to do is address the real problem, What makes these school shooters do what they are doing"
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No it doesnít take billions of dollars. All that is needed is to allow teachers to exercise their constitutional God given right on a volunteer basis.

People who carry a gun legally do so to save and protect. this cartoon ridiculous slander of embracing brutality and killing is the height of absurdity.
So why don't you pack up your gun and go volunteer at your local school? Why should an underpaid teacher have to shell out for your stupid Republican President's idea?

You have come up with a very weak and ineffective rebuttal for one of her points. What about the other 5?
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The Security company I worked for already had guards with gun certification who were standardly used more frequently in city environment, with high crowd levels, where violent acts are much more likely. It functioned smoothly, and the gun present certainly functions as a deterrent--even people who are suicidal typically want to meet their end on their own terms, which means the threat of an unpleasant, untimely demise can potentially be effective.
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Basically I'm on the side of armed staff in schools. When I think of my MS and HS, both in the 3,000+ student size, a rather large number of staff would be required.

But I don't understand the disconnect of those who fail to see that to a whacko, a gun-free zone is INDEED a free-fire zone. Understanding this reality doesn't even require a full-functioning set of cerebral neurons.
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The answer is simple...The lying gun grabbers want to be able to use the school shootings as a tool to confiscate weapons....If there were armed security in these schools the school shooters would simply find another soft target to hit... Or simply resort to some other form of mayhem, like suicide bombing.... The last thing the gun grabbers want to do is address the real problem, What makes these school shooters do what they are doing"
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Yes, I certainly agree with that. In fact, I have tried to start discussion on that topic elsewhere. I would be interested on your thoughts on the matter; please see the 'Boss Hoggs' thread, if interested.
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Basically I'm on the side of armed staff in schools. When I think of my MS and HS, both in the 3,000+ student size, a rather large number of staff would be required.

But I don't understand the disconnect of those who fail to see that to a whacko, a gun-free zone is INDEED a free-fire zone. Understanding this reality doesn't even require a full-functioning set of cerebral neurons.
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It fundamentally challenges "Disneyland"--which people will hold onto at all costs, in the face of any arbitrary amount of counter-evidence.
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I would add; where are all of the hyper-empathetic SJW-types when these kids are perpetually & endlessly neglected and abused for all of those years leading to up to the final 'explosion'? Wait...that's right--they are not there (or otherwise, are often contributing to it, indistinguishable from the other people) because their 'socio-political affiliations' are just bullsh't people say in order to claim (pseudo)moral high-ground, based on merely words rather than action. They can 'talk-the-talk' but not 'walk-the-walk'. Whether or not people truly have any 'moral backbone' worth discussing is often independent of religious and/or political affiliation, and comes down to the individual alone. (Note: Steven Crowder has a good video which helps expose this, link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9zIzIePjpo )
Ok, i let your first post like this slide because i am so used to you not having a clue what you are talking about. however, this is such omg i want to cuss.....

its simply not true at ALL! do you have any idea how mental health professionals, school administrators, parents, teachers and all kinds of people are working hard to stop bullying in schools, cyber bullying, and also to have more support for students especially those undergoing very challenging times? any idea at all? doesnt sound like it.......

if they were properly funded, but you know which side always tries to cut funding for every damn social program, they would have a much greater ability to help students in crisis.

there is a party out there that always wants to cut taxes, cut funding for schools, cut funding for healthcare (and mental health), even make it more difficult if not impossible for people to have access to that care ---> and on the other hand they work to stop any reasonable gun legislation and want more guns.

pfffffttttttttt

get a grip......
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