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Old May 13th, 2018, 01:12 PM   #21
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How about discussing current events - not incidents from last century?

This is like discussing racism in America and the right wingers start screaming THE DEMOCRATS STARTED THE KKK!!!!

Yeah - a hundred years ago.

Let's talk Jim Crowe.

Let's talk recent massacres.
Well if we're going to talk about events from this century, most mass murders across the world have been committed by Muslims using various forms of explosive devices and unconventional means of attacking civilian populations. Including but not limited to hijacking planes, truck bombs, children with suicide vests, renting vans and driving them through Christmas markets.
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Usually because the people who own them ,own them to show the size of their rocks. It's a macho thing. And this drives mass murderers just like the rest of the people who buy them. When people decide to kill many in a mass murder, they go directly to the assault weapon. they don't usually have to go far , these types of people generally have them around them.
The more popular the assault weapon has become, the more it's used in mass murders. In the future it will be used generally across the board by mass murderers.
The Supreme Court ruled in 1994 and every date where the issue comes up in law, that Assault Weapons and military style weapons were NOT covered under the Second Amendment rights.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-rules-n724106

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ANNAPOLIS, Md. Maryland's ban on 45 kinds of assault weapons and its 10-round limit on gun magazines were upheld Tuesday by a federal appeals court in a decision that met with a strongly worded dissent.

In a 10-4 ruling, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, said the guns banned under Maryland's law aren't protected by the Second Amendment.

"Put simply, we have no power to extend Second Amendment protections to weapons of war," Judge Robert King wrote for the court, adding that the Supreme Court's decision in District of Columbia v. Heller explicitly excluded such coverage.

Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh, who led the push for the law in 2013 as a state senator, said it's "unthinkable that these weapons of war, weapons that caused the carnage in Newtown and in other communities across the country, would be protected by the Second Amendment."

Image: AR-15 rifles build by DSA Inc.AR-15 rifles.Scott Olson / Getty Images
"It's a very strong opinion, and it has national significance, both because it's en-banc and for the strength of its decision," Frosh said, noting that all of the court's judges participated.

Judge William Traxler issued a dissent. By concluding the Second Amendment doesn't even apply, Traxler wrote, the majority "has gone to greater lengths than any other court to eviscerate the constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms." He also wrote that the court did not apply a strict enough review on the constitutionality of the law.

"For a law-abiding citizen who, for whatever reason, chooses to protect his home with a semi-automatic rifle instead of a semi-automatic handgun, Maryland's law clearly imposes a significant burden on the exercise of the right to arm oneself at home, and it should at least be subject to strict scrutiny review before it is allowed to stand," Traxler wrote.

National Rifle Association spokeswoman Jennifer Baker said, "It is absurd to hold that the most popular rifle in America is not a protected 'arm' under the Second Amendment." She added that the majority opinion "clearly ignores the Supreme Court's guidance from District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects arms that are 'in common use at the time for lawful purposes like self-defense.'"

The NRA estimates there are 5 million to 10 million AR-15s one of the weapons banned under Maryland's law in circulation in the United States for lawful purposes. Asked about an appeal, Baker said the NRA is exploring all options.
This is something the NRA does NOT want to get around.
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How about discussing current events - not incidents from last century?

This is like discussing racism in America and the right wingers start screaming THE DEMOCRATS STARTED THE KKK!!!!

Yeah - a hundred years ago.

Let's talk Jim Crowe.

Let's talk recent massacres.

Well, when the OP is...

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Usually because the people who own them ,own them to show the size of their rocks. It's a macho thing. And this drives mass murderers just like the rest of the people who buy them. When people decide to kill many in a mass murder, they go directly to the assault weapon. they don't usually have to go far , these types of people generally have them around them.
The more popular the assault weapon has become, the more it's used in mass murders. In the future it will be used generally across the board by mass murderers.

Kinda explains why the thread is what it is.
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I'm fairly certain we're talking about America and American laws.

We don't really have any say (no matter how much we would like to dictate what they do) about how other countries decide such matters.
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How about discussing current events - not incidents from last century?

This is like discussing racism in America and the right wingers start screaming THE DEMOCRATS STARTED THE KKK!!!!

Yeah - a hundred years ago.

Let's talk Jim Crowe.

Let's talk recent massacres.
Calm down ....the title of the thread is An assault weapon is the weapon of choice for all mass murderers. ...As we have pointed out one of the most notorious of mass murders was done with a hunting rifle....So that kind of debunks that ALL part, don't it ??
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Well if we're going to talk about events from this century, most mass murders across the world have been committed by Muslims using various forms of explosive devices and unconventional means of attacking civilian populations. Including but not limited to hijacking planes, truck bombs, children with suicide vests, renting vans and driving them through Christmas markets.
You mean because of the wars the US started or funds? Sure. But that's during a war. The domestic terrorists here, the White Nationalists, et al, attack to harm US citizens.
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I'm fairly certain we're talking about America and American laws.

We don't really have any say (no matter how much we would like to dictate what they do) about how other countries decide such matters.
The single worst loss-of-life was due to Arab hijackers on 9/11.

To me I don't think any of this really matters. It's a sort of a diversionary pull at the heart strings. At the end of the day we have a fundamental right to possess firearms, any firearms actually. The meaning of the Second Amendment, when considering the thoughts that were preoccupying the Fathers when they were writing it (that is, their freshly-won independence from a tyrannical government), is that there is an armed populace that is a deterrent to a government over-stepping its boundaries. I don't think that the weapons of the day actually mattered and I suspect that they would've had the same feelings with the weapons of today. After all, these are the men that specifically put a clause in the Constitution forbidding the Government from garrisoning soldiers in peoples' homes.
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You mean because of the wars the US started or funds? Sure. But that's during a war. The domestic terrorists here, the White Nationalists, et al, attack to harm US citizens.
I understand why those men fight, because the United States seeks to spread its dubious gift of poison to the people of the Arab World, disguised as "freedom" and "progress." But it doesn't change the fact that they are killing our people and we must stand with our people first. I don't support my government's actions at all, but I don't support the slaying of innocents because our government is doing something that most people don't want.

Also, it isn't a war. It's a police action.
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I understand why those men fight, because the United States seeks to spread its dubious gift of poison to the people of the Arab World, disguised as "freedom" and "progress." But it doesn't change the fact that they are killing our people and we must stand with our people first. I don't support my government's actions at all, but I don't support the slaying of innocents because our government is doing something that most people don't want.

Also, it isn't a war. It's a police action.
It's war. And it's an invasion. And it's supporting the terrorist nations of Israel and Saudi Arabia who are invading Shia Muslim nations. "Police action" is the White Nationalists, neo nazis in our police force murdering unarmed black citizens.
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ANNAPOLIS, Md. — Maryland's ban on 45 kinds of assault weapons and its 10-round limit on gun magazines were upheld Tuesday by a federal appeals court in a decision that met with a strongly worded dissent.

In a 10-4 ruling, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, said the guns banned under Maryland's law aren't protected by the Second Amendment.

"Put simply, we have no power to extend Second Amendment protections to weapons of war," Judge Robert King wrote for the court, adding that the Supreme Court's decision in District of Columbia v. Heller explicitly excluded such coverage.

Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh, who led the push for the law in 2013 as a state senator, said it's "unthinkable that these weapons of war, weapons that caused the carnage in Newtown and in other communities across the country, would be protected by the Second Amendment."

Image: AR-15 rifles build by DSA Inc.AR-15 rifles.Scott Olson / Getty Images
"It's a very strong opinion, and it has national significance, both because it's en-banc and for the strength of its decision," Frosh said, noting that all of the court's judges participated.

Judge William Traxler issued a dissent. By concluding the Second Amendment doesn't even apply, Traxler wrote, the majority "has gone to greater lengths than any other court to eviscerate the constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms." He also wrote that the court did not apply a strict enough review on the constitutionality of the law.

"For a law-abiding citizen who, for whatever reason, chooses to protect his home with a semi-automatic rifle instead of a semi-automatic handgun, Maryland's law clearly imposes a significant burden on the exercise of the right to arm oneself at home, and it should at least be subject to strict scrutiny review before it is allowed to stand," Traxler wrote.

National Rifle Association spokeswoman Jennifer Baker said, "It is absurd to hold that the most popular rifle in America is not a protected 'arm' under the Second Amendment." She added that the majority opinion "clearly ignores the Supreme Court's guidance from District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects arms that are 'in common use at the time for lawful purposes like self-defense.'"

The NRA estimates there are 5 million to 10 million AR-15s — one of the weapons banned under Maryland's law — in circulation in the United States for lawful purposes. Asked about an appeal, Baker said the NRA is exploring all options.


I would say Judge King should refer to US v Miller 1932 where the sawed off shot-gun was considered a banable weapon because it had no military value..
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