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Old November 1st, 2011, 09:04 AM   #1
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"If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent." Arthur C. Brooks



Do these blood donations save more lives than Obamacare?
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"If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent." Arthur C. Brooks



Do these blood donations save more lives than Obamacare?


Ask Pensacola Niceman. Without people like me donating platelets, PN might not be around. It shouldn't matter whether one is a liberal, moderate, conservative, or doesn't care, the blood supply would be the same." I don't know where Mr. Brooks got his information. Is this his way of recruiting people to donate? Perhaps all the blood banks should ask what religion we are before we get accepted to donate.



That is the dumbest thing for Brooks to say.



I gave platelets in Boston over 4 months ago. I didn't think of what party I was in, unless you count me as a tourist party member.
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I didn't realise they asked about political affiliations before accepting blood donations?



Who is Arthur C. Brooks and from whence did he pull this dubious assertion?
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I didn't realise they asked about political affiliations before accepting blood donations?



Who is Arthur C. Brooks and from whence did he pull this dubious assertion?



If Republicans have their way then millions of Americans won't be able to afford blood no matter who donates it



Remember the Republican Health Care Policy is "hurry up and die"
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"If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent." Arthur C. Brooks



Do these blood donations save more lives than Obamacare?


Ask Pensacola Niceman. Without people like me donating platelets, PN might not be around. It shouldn't matter whether one is a liberal, moderate, conservative, or doesn't care, the blood supply would be the same." I don't where Mr. Brooks got his information. Is this his way of recruiting people to donate. I gave platelets in Boston over 4 months ago. I didn't think of what party I was in, unless you count me as a tourist party member.
It's just an interesting statistic that illustrates how conservatives or Republicans can be more apt to donate than liberals or Democrats.



Brooks gathered his data from national surreys, nonprofit reports, and interviews.
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Brooks gathered his data from national surreys, nonprofit reports, and interviews.


Please elaborate................
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I didn't realise they asked about political affiliations before accepting blood donations?



Who is Arthur C. Brooks and from whence did he pull this dubious assertion?



If Republicans have their way then millions of Americans won't be able to afford blood no matter who donates it



Remember the Republican Health Care Policy is "hurry up and die"
Your claim about Republicans is ludicrous and unfounded. I don't want this to turn into a health care debate, but rather an informative discussion about what saves more lives: conservative blood donations or Obamacare. Essentially, who cares more about saving human lives?
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Brooks gathered his data from national surreys, nonprofit reports, and interviews.


Please elaborate................


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18218
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[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320167051' post='365250']

"If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent." Arthur C. Brooks



Do these blood donations save more lives than Obamacare?


Ask Pensacola Niceman. Without people like me donating platelets, PN might not be around. It shouldn't matter whether one is a liberal, moderate, conservative, or doesn't care, the blood supply would be the same." I don't where Mr. Brooks got his information. Is this his way of recruiting people to donate. I gave platelets in Boston over 4 months ago. I didn't think of what party I was in, unless you count me as a tourist party member.
It's just an interesting statistic that illustrates how conservatives or Republicans can be more apt to donate than liberals or Democrats.



Brooks gathered his data from national surreys, nonprofit reports, and interviews.

[/quote]



Well, he didn't interview me. He didn't interview a fellow in Boston who has given over 1,000 gallons of blood/platelets in his lifetime, did he? He didn't interview a couple of people from the local blood bank who have donated over 100 gallons in their lifetime, did he? How he could discern blood donors of what party they belong to is beyond me.
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[quote name='H80W' timestamp='1320167264' post='365252']

[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320167051' post='365250']

"If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent." Arthur C. Brooks



Do these blood donations save more lives than Obamacare?


Ask Pensacola Niceman. Without people like me donating platelets, PN might not be around. It shouldn't matter whether one is a liberal, moderate, conservative, or doesn't care, the blood supply would be the same." I don't where Mr. Brooks got his information. Is this his way of recruiting people to donate. I gave platelets in Boston over 4 months ago. I didn't think of what party I was in, unless you count me as a tourist party member.
It's just an interesting statistic that illustrates how conservatives or Republicans can be more apt to donate than liberals or Democrats.



Brooks gathered his data from national surreys, nonprofit reports, and interviews.

[/quote]



Well, he didn't interview me. He didn't interview a fellow in Boston who has given over 1,000 gallons of blood/platelets in his lifetime, did he? He didn't interview a couple of people from the local blood bank who have donated over 100 gallons in their lifetime, did he? How he could discern blood donors of what party they belong to is beyond me.

[/quote] For his analysis and conclusion to be valid, Brooks does not need to survey everyone who has ever given blood in the US or interview everyone who has given blood in the US. His conclusion is well-founded and corresponds accurately to the real world.
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[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320168011' post='365259']

Brooks gathered his data from national surreys, nonprofit reports, and interviews.


Please elaborate................


http://www.humaneven...le.php?id=18218

[/quote]



Your link gives no details about how this guy arrived at such a dubious conclusion.



It is as nonsensical as saying that more Democrats work in factories producing Medical Devices and pharmaceuticals therefore Democrats save more lives than Republicans.



The fact is not one of the Republican candidates has any clue regarding health care policy, all they want to do is repeal Obama care and return to the arcane, third-world system that exists currently
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[quote name='gary' timestamp='1320168060' post='365261']

[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320168011' post='365259']

Brooks gathered his data from national surreys, nonprofit reports, and interviews.


Please elaborate................


http://www.humaneven...le.php?id=18218

[/quote]



Your link gives no details about how this guy arrived at such a dubious conclusion.



It is as nonsensical as saying that more Democrats work in factories producing Medical Devices and pharmaceuticals therefore Democrats save more lives than Republicans.



The fact is not one of the Republican candidates has any clue regarding health care policy, all they want to do is repeal Obama care and return to the arcane, third-world system that exists currently

[/quote] And, therefore, it's wrong?



You're comparing apples to oranges. Instead of recognizing the facts at hand.



Who says that a repeal of Obamacare is inherently bad for our country?
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[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320168526' post='365267']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1320168060' post='365261']

[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320168011' post='365259']

Brooks gathered his data from national surreys, nonprofit reports, and interviews.


Please elaborate................


http://www.humaneven...le.php?id=18218

[/quote]



Your link gives no details about how this guy arrived at such a dubious conclusion.



It is as nonsensical as saying that more Democrats work in factories producing Medical Devices and pharmaceuticals therefore Democrats save more lives than Republicans.



The fact is not one of the Republican candidates has any clue regarding health care policy, all they want to do is repeal Obama care and return to the arcane, third-world system that exists currently

[/quote] And, therefore, it's wrong?



You're comparing apples to oranges. Instead of recognizing the facts at hand.



Who says that a repeal of Obamacare is inherently bad for our country?

[/quote]



What facts at hand?



I keep asking for them and you have not provided the source of this dubious and divisive assertion



It appears you are hellbent on creating class warfare
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[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320168011' post='365259']

[quote name='H80W' timestamp='1320167264' post='365252']

[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320167051' post='365250']

"If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent." Arthur C. Brooks



Do these blood donations save more lives than Obamacare?


Ask Pensacola Niceman. Without people like me donating platelets, PN might not be around. It shouldn't matter whether one is a liberal, moderate, conservative, or doesn't care, the blood supply would be the same." I don't where Mr. Brooks got his information. Is this his way of recruiting people to donate. I gave platelets in Boston over 4 months ago. I didn't think of what party I was in, unless you count me as a tourist party member.
It's just an interesting statistic that illustrates how conservatives or Republicans can be more apt to donate than liberals or Democrats.



Brooks gathered his data from national surreys, nonprofit reports, and interviews.

[/quote]



Well, he didn't interview me. He didn't interview a fellow in Boston who has given over 1,000 gallons of blood/platelets in his lifetime, did he? He didn't interview a couple of people from the local blood bank who have donated over 100 gallons in their lifetime, did he? How he could discern blood donors of what party they belong to is beyond me.

[/quote] For his analysis and conclusion to be valid, Brooks does not need to survey everyone who has ever given blood in the US or interview everyone who has given blood in the US. His conclusion is well-founded and corresponds accurately to the real world.

[/quote]



It wonders me what part of cities and towns he visited? Right now, where I go to, the blood bank is in an area where the racial mix is more colored and latino/latina than white. Meaning, there would be more liberals and moderates than conservatives.



Where it used to be, there were more whites, and in a somewhat predominantly gay population. Whether they are liberal, moderate, or conservative, I don't know.



I don't know why the blood bank moved, unless they wanted more modern facilities or their lease ran out. I have to travel father to go, and they know that. But I give bi-monthly anyway because my two sisters would rather I do that instead of doing it every month for my health's sake.



I might add that where I donated platelets in Boston was at the Dana-Farber Cancer Center, an area that has tall buildings all around it, medical offices, and hospitals. These people are well known for fund raising, too. They do a very good business.



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Who says that a repeal of Obamacare is inherently bad for our country?


I do.



It's not very good but it's a step in the right direction.



Leaving 50m uninsured then paying for them via taxation and higher premiums is not the answer



America is the only advanced (?) nation that has no Universal Health Care and if the Republicans have their way that will continue



Meanwhile Americans waste 17% of their shrinking GDP on health care when they could be paying only 6%-8% for better outcomes
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[quote name='H80W' timestamp='1320168650' post='365268']

[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320168011' post='365259']

[quote name='H80W' timestamp='1320167264' post='365252']

[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320167051' post='365250']

"If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent." Arthur C. Brooks



Do these blood donations save more lives than Obamacare?


Ask Pensacola Niceman. Without people like me donating platelets, PN might not be around. It shouldn't matter whether one is a liberal, moderate, conservative, or doesn't care, the blood supply would be the same." I don't where Mr. Brooks got his information. Is this his way of recruiting people to donate. I gave platelets in Boston over 4 months ago. I didn't think of what party I was in, unless you count me as a tourist party member.
It's just an interesting statistic that illustrates how conservatives or Republicans can be more apt to donate than liberals or Democrats.



Brooks gathered his data from national surreys, nonprofit reports, and interviews.

[/quote]



Well, he didn't interview me. He didn't interview a fellow in Boston who has given over 1,000 gallons of blood/platelets in his lifetime, did he? He didn't interview a couple of people from the local blood bank who have donated over 100 gallons in their lifetime, did he? How he could discern blood donors of what party they belong to is beyond me.

[/quote] For his analysis and conclusion to be valid, Brooks does not need to survey everyone who has ever given blood in the US or interview everyone who has given blood in the US. His conclusion is well-founded and corresponds accurately to the real world.

[/quote]



It wonders what part of cities and towns he visited? Right now, where I go to, the blood bank is in an area where the racial mix is more colored and latino/latina than white. Meaning, there would be more liberals and moderates than conservatives.



Where it used to be, there were more whites, and in a somewhat predominantly gay population. Whether they are liberal, moderate, or conservative, I don't know.



I don't know why the blood bank moved, unless they wanted more modern facilities or their lease ran out. I have to travel father to go, and they know that. But I give bi-monthly anyway because my two sisters would rather I do that instead of doing it every month for my health's sake.





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I always salute Willie for his sterling performance donating blood for many years
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[quote name='gary' timestamp='1320169488' post='365285']

[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320168526' post='365267']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1320168060' post='365261']

[quote name='borden123' timestamp='1320168011' post='365259']

Brooks gathered his data from national surreys, nonprofit reports, and interviews.


Please elaborate................


http://www.humaneven...le.php?id=18218

[/quote]



Your link gives no details about how this guy arrived at such a dubious conclusion.



It is as nonsensical as saying that more Democrats work in factories producing Medical Devices and pharmaceuticals therefore Democrats save more lives than Republicans.



The fact is not one of the Republican candidates has any clue regarding health care policy, all they want to do is repeal Obama care and return to the arcane, third-world system that exists currently

[/quote] And, therefore, it's wrong?



You're comparing apples to oranges. Instead of recognizing the facts at hand.



Who says that a repeal of Obamacare is inherently bad for our country?

[/quote]



What facts at hand?



I keep asking for them and you have not provided the source of this dubious and divisive assertion



It appears you are hellbent on creating class warfare

[/quote]The facts and studies are all outlined in his book, Who Really Cares.



No, I'm not hellbent on creating class warfare. I am merely pointing out that the basic, illogical stereotypes made against conservatives and how compassionate they are are false.
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Who says that a repeal of Obamacare is inherently bad for our country?


I do.



It's not very good but it's a step in the right direction.



Leaving 50m uninsured then paying for them via taxation and higher premiums is not the answer



America is the only advanced (?) nation that has no Universal Health Care and if the Republicans have their way that will continue



Meanwhile Americans waste 17% of their shrinking GDP on health care when they could be paying only 6%-8% for better outcomes
We have the best health care in the world, and that's why it costs so much.



Even under Obamacare, we would be paying for the uninsured through higher taxation and higher premiums.
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We have the best health care in the world, and that's why it costs so much.


On what basis are you claiming this?



In fact US health care is grossly inefficient, funding millions of paper pushers who process insurance claims but do nothing to help you get better



Even if it is true, what is the point if it is unaffordable to millions of Americans, many of whom travel abroad to seek treatment?
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]The facts and studies are all outlined in his book, Who Really Cares.



No, I'm not hellbent on creating class warfare. I am merely pointing out that the basic, illogical stereotypes made against conservatives and how compassionate they are are false.


I don't have the book, please explain in detail how he gathered this spurious "data"



What good is blood without syringes, medical supplies, devices and drugs, mostly manufactured by card-carrying trade unionists who vote Democrat??
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