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Old February 7th, 2012, 01:17 PM   #1
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I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?
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I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?
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I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.
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I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.
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Old February 7th, 2012, 03:14 PM   #6
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[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328655784' post='381390']

I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.

[/quote]



I know that, so what would you replace Obamacare with?
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[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328659124' post='381415']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328658388' post='381407']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328655784' post='381390']

I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.

[/quote]



I know that, so what would you replace Obamacare with?

[/quote]



A bipartisan bill like we were promised. What Obama and congress did was disgusting.
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Old February 7th, 2012, 06:24 PM   #8
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[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328659124' post='381415']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328658388' post='381407']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328655784' post='381390']

I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.

[/quote]



I know that, so what would you replace Obamacare with?

[/quote]



A bipartisan bill like we were promised. What Obama and congress did was disgusting.

[/quote]



If you have a majority then you technically don't have to be bipartisan and most people don't want to see Obamacare repealed. Can you be a little more specific about what YOU want our healthcare to look like or mimic?
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Originally Posted by Fayt' timestamp='1328660096' post='381426

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328659341' post='381419']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328659124' post='381415']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328658388' post='381407']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328655784' post='381390']

I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.

[/quote]



I know that, so what would you replace Obamacare with?

[/quote]



A bipartisan bill like we were promised. What Obama and congress did was disgusting.

[/quote]



Indeed, a that damned Republican controlled House signed off on Obamacare, sorta like the Republican Congress signed off on Medicare D.



The end is near.........
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Old February 8th, 2012, 09:08 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328660636' post='381431

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328660096' post='381426']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328659341' post='381419']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328659124' post='381415']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328658388' post='381407']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328655784' post='381390']

I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.

[/quote]



I know that, so what would you replace Obamacare with?

[/quote]



A bipartisan bill like we were promised. What Obama and congress did was disgusting.

[/quote]



If you have a majority then you technically don't have to be bipartisan and most people don't want to see Obamacare repealed. Can you be a little more specific about what YOU want our healthcare to look like or mimic?

[/quote]



We have the best health care in the world. Care isn't the problem. The problem in my opinion is too much Govt involvement. I don't need Govt to manage my health care.
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[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328660096' post='381426']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328659341' post='381419']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328659124' post='381415']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328658388' post='381407']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328655784' post='381390']

I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.

[/quote]



I know that, so what would you replace Obamacare with?

[/quote]



A bipartisan bill like we were promised. What Obama and congress did was disgusting.

[/quote]



Indeed, a that damned Republican controlled House signed off on Obamacare, sorta like the Republican Congress signed off on Medicare D.



The end is near.........

[/quote]



I don't follow your thinking here. The House was controlled by the Dems. Obamacare didn't get one repub vote in the House or the Senate.
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[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328660636' post='381431']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328660096' post='381426']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328659341' post='381419']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328659124' post='381415']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328658388' post='381407']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328655784' post='381390']

I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.

[/quote]



I know that, so what would you replace Obamacare with?

[/quote]



A bipartisan bill like we were promised. What Obama and congress did was disgusting.

[/quote]



If you have a majority then you technically don't have to be bipartisan and most people don't want to see Obamacare repealed. Can you be a little more specific about what YOU want our healthcare to look like or mimic?

[/quote]



We have the best health care in the world. Care isn't the problem. The problem in my opinion is too much Govt involvement. I don't need Govt to manage my health care.

[/quote]



Yes, we have the best healthcare technology in the world but it doesn't matter if people aren't covered and can afford it. The problem with our system is actually too little government involvement. Our healthcare is for profit therefore by raising the rate they can skim the profits for themselves making ton of money. This is especially when they deny coverage to Americans. In every other OECD country for profit healthcare in illegal in general care. So you have to ask yourself this question Perkins, do you want your government to be between you and your doctor (we can change it democratically and complaining to our representatives) or do you want for profit corporation to between you and your doctor who's not accountable to anyone. You try protesting on Bill Mcguire or Stephen Hemsley's private property and see if you don't get arrested.



Every other developed country says that what we're doing here in the U.S. is illegal but the U.S.. I see this as a flawed system Perkins.
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[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328660096' post='381426']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328659341' post='381419']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328659124' post='381415']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328658388' post='381407']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328655784' post='381390']

I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.

[/quote]



I know that, so what would you replace Obamacare with?

[/quote]



A bipartisan bill like we were promised. What Obama and congress did was disgusting.

[/quote]



Indeed, a that damned Republican controlled House signed off on Obamacare, sorta like the Republican Congress signed off on Medicare D.



The end is near.........

[/quote]



I don't follow your thinking here. The House was controlled by the Dems. Obamacare didn't get one repub vote in the House or the Senate.

[/quote]



My error.



However, the Rs influenced the outcome of Obamacare, and they did pass Medicare D. The Ds voted against it.



And this is how it goes. They take turns "standing for the people," but whichever party is in power, the agenda of growing government and increasing government power continues.
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[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328660636' post='381431']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328660096' post='381426']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328659341' post='381419']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328659124' post='381415']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328658388' post='381407']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328655784' post='381390']

I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.

[/quote]



I know that, so what would you replace Obamacare with?

[/quote]



A bipartisan bill like we were promised. What Obama and congress did was disgusting.

[/quote]



If you have a majority then you technically don't have to be bipartisan and most people don't want to see Obamacare repealed. Can you be a little more specific about what YOU want our healthcare to look like or mimic?

[/quote]



We have the best health care in the world. Care isn't the problem. The problem in my opinion is too much Govt involvement. I don't need Govt to manage my health care.

[/quote]



Yes, we have the best healthcare technology in the world but it doesn't matter if people aren't covered and can afford it. The problem with our system is actually too little government involvement. Our healthcare is for profit therefore by raising the rate they can skim the profits for themselves making ton of money. This is especially when they deny coverage to Americans. In every other OECD country for profit healthcare in illegal in general care. So you have to ask yourself this question Perkins, do you want your government to be between you and your doctor (we can change it democratically and complaining to our representatives) or do you want for profit corporation to between you and your doctor who's not accountable to anyone. You try protesting on Bill Mcguire or Stephen Hemsley's private property and see if you don't get arrested.



Every other developed country says that what we're doing here in the U.S. is illegal but the U.S.. I see this as a flawed system Perkins.

[/quote]



You just lost me when you said this...."The problem with our system is actually too little government involvement."



A bunch of other "developed" countries are going bankrupt because of Govt spending.



Do you have some examples of Americans being denied health care?
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[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328660636' post='381431']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328660096' post='381426']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328659341' post='381419']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328659124' post='381415']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328658388' post='381407']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328655784' post='381390']

I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.

[/quote]



I know that, so what would you replace Obamacare with?

[/quote]



A bipartisan bill like we were promised. What Obama and congress did was disgusting.

[/quote]



Indeed, a that damned Republican controlled House signed off on Obamacare, sorta like the Republican Congress signed off on Medicare D.



The end is near.........

[/quote]



I don't follow your thinking here. The House was controlled by the Dems. Obamacare didn't get one repub vote in the House or the Senate.

[/quote]



My error.



However, the Rs influenced the outcome of Obamacare, and they did pass Medicare D. The Ds voted against it.



And this is how it goes. They take turns "standing for the people," but whichever party is in power, the agenda of growing government and increasing government power continues.

[/quote]



If the Rs influenced the outcome of Obamacare, why didn't it get ONE repub vote? What I watched was repubs being locked out of meetings. Obama said "I won". That's why there was such a rush to get it passed and why the Dems suffered such a huge defeat.



The repubs had no input in Obamacare because it didn't get one repub vote. It was absolutely scary what happened in the USA with that Obamacare vote. A small contingent of leftist trash bribed elected officials to get it passed...."Blue God Dems" who were then promptly removed by their constituents from office.



Now we are finding out what is in the bill. Remember what Pelosi said? You have to pass it to find out what's in it. Now we're screwed.
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My error.



However, the Rs influenced the outcome of Obamacare, and they did pass Medicare D. The Ds voted against it.



And this is how it goes. They take turns "standing for the people," but whichever party is in power, the agenda of growing government and increasing government power continues.


If the Rs influenced the outcome of Obamacare, why didn't it get ONE repub vote? What I watched was repubs being locked out of meetings. Obama said "I won". That's why there was such a rush to get it passed and why the Dems suffered such a huge defeat.



The repubs had no input in Obamacare because it didn't get one repub vote. It was absolutely scary what happened in the USA with that Obamacare vote. A small contingent of leftist trash bribed elected officials to get it passed...."Blue God Dems" who were then promptly removed by their constituents from office.



Now we are finding out what is in the bill. Remember what Pelosi said? You have to pass it to find out what's in it. Now we're screwed.


The Repubs had input. They shouted "death panels." They scared the hell out of the elderly. They fought a public option, and won.



Please, don't misunderstand. I don't support what was passed. The Dems were bound and determined to "pass something," and they did. Imo, what they passed won't improve healthcare, and for sure won't lower costs. The "lower costs" claim is voodoo economics.



The Republicans never intended to work constructively on a decent healthcare plan. They intended to win elections in 2010, and a good healthcare bill, a gold star for the president, would not have helped them to win offices in 2010.



They realized their intention.
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[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328671474' post='381497']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328660636' post='381431']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328660096' post='381426']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328659341' post='381419']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328659124' post='381415']

[quote name='Tony Perkins' timestamp='1328658388' post='381407']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1328655784' post='381390']

I understand some organizations don't want to fund abortions. You whole premise is that you don't like Obamacare entirely. So what country would you like to go to that have the healthcare you like?


The premise is Obamacare is unhealthy for everyone. Big mistake, as this lady found out. What do you think about her position?


I think our healthcare system is still terrible but Obama's healthcare plan did in fact insured millions of Americans who weren't previously insured. So Obama is a step in the right direction. I'm an advocate for universal healthcare or single payer.



Far as Mr. Dahlkemper's concerns, it's legitimate but not worth advocating against something that did much good as Obamacare.

[/quote]



Mrs. Dahlkemper said she would not have voted for the bill if she had known what she knows now. Her vote for Obamacare was a high price to pay. She was voted out of office along with a bunch of other Dems because they voted for Obamacare.

[/quote]



I know that, so what would you replace Obamacare with?

[/quote]



A bipartisan bill like we were promised. What Obama and congress did was disgusting.

[/quote]



If you have a majority then you technically don't have to be bipartisan and most people don't want to see Obamacare repealed. Can you be a little more specific about what YOU want our healthcare to look like or mimic?

[/quote]



We have the best health care in the world. Care isn't the problem. The problem in my opinion is too much Govt involvement. I don't need Govt to manage my health care.

[/quote]



Yes, we have the best healthcare technology in the world but it doesn't matter if people aren't covered and can afford it. The problem with our system is actually too little government involvement. Our healthcare is for profit therefore by raising the rate they can skim the profits for themselves making ton of money. This is especially when they deny coverage to Americans. In every other OECD country for profit healthcare in illegal in general care. So you have to ask yourself this question Perkins, do you want your government to be between you and your doctor (we can change it democratically and complaining to our representatives) or do you want for profit corporation to between you and your doctor who's not accountable to anyone. You try protesting on Bill Mcguire or Stephen Hemsley's private property and see if you don't get arrested.



Every other developed country says that what we're doing here in the U.S. is illegal but the U.S.. I see this as a flawed system Perkins.

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You just lost me when you said this...."The problem with our system is actually too little government involvement."



A bunch of other "developed" countries are going bankrupt because of Govt spending.



Do you have some examples of Americans being denied health care?

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I know it's pretty easy to lose you on anything Perkins and those countries that are going bankrupt is the result of banks, not spending. That's a whole other topic. And I don't need to give you specific examples of Americans being denied care when I have do better. When Obama stepped into office, 12 million Americans were denied healthcare insurance and one of the largest reasons for bankruptcy in American are because of medical bills.New survey shows that 129 million Americans could be denied healthcare coverage if before 2014.

http://www.healthcarefinancenews.com...rance-industry

http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2011pr...20110118a.html
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My error.



However, the Rs influenced the outcome of Obamacare, and they did pass Medicare D. The Ds voted against it.



And this is how it goes. They take turns "standing for the people," but whichever party is in power, the agenda of growing government and increasing government power continues.


If the Rs influenced the outcome of Obamacare, why didn't it get ONE repub vote? What I watched was repubs being locked out of meetings. Obama said "I won". That's why there was such a rush to get it passed and why the Dems suffered such a huge defeat.



The repubs had no input in Obamacare because it didn't get one repub vote. It was absolutely scary what happened in the USA with that Obamacare vote. A small contingent of leftist trash bribed elected officials to get it passed...."Blue God Dems" who were then promptly removed by their constituents from office.



Now we are finding out what is in the bill. Remember what Pelosi said? You have to pass it to find out what's in it. Now we're screwed.


The Repubs had input. They shouted "death panels." They scared the hell out of the elderly. They fought a public option, and won.



Please, don't misunderstand. I don't support what was passed. The Dems were bound and determined to "pass something," and they did. Imo, what they passed won't improve healthcare, and for sure won't lower costs. The "lower costs" claim is voodoo economics.



The Republicans never intended to work constructively on a decent healthcare plan. They intended to win elections in 2010, and a good healthcare bill, a gold star for the president, would not have helped them to win offices in 2010.



They realized their intention.

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Of course there will be "death panels". Every nation with govt run health care has "death panels". They just have a different name so as not to scare people.



As far as 'input", the repubs didn't get anything into the bill. That was the entire problem. Even conservative Dems had to be bribed and then they got canned by their constituents. This is not the way to move legislation in the USA. It stunk and it stinks even more today. The left lied like it always does. We were promised bipartisan input.
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[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1328725714' post='381572']

My error.



However, the Rs influenced the outcome of Obamacare, and they did pass Medicare D. The Ds voted against it.



And this is how it goes. They take turns "standing for the people," but whichever party is in power, the agenda of growing government and increasing government power continues.


If the Rs influenced the outcome of Obamacare, why didn't it get ONE repub vote? What I watched was repubs being locked out of meetings. Obama said "I won". That's why there was such a rush to get it passed and why the Dems suffered such a huge defeat.



The repubs had no input in Obamacare because it didn't get one repub vote. It was absolutely scary what happened in the USA with that Obamacare vote. A small contingent of leftist trash bribed elected officials to get it passed...."Blue God Dems" who were then promptly removed by their constituents from office.



Now we are finding out what is in the bill. Remember what Pelosi said? You have to pass it to find out what's in it. Now we're screwed.


The Repubs had input. They shouted "death panels." They scared the hell out of the elderly. They fought a public option, and won.



Please, don't misunderstand. I don't support what was passed. The Dems were bound and determined to "pass something," and they did. Imo, what they passed won't improve healthcare, and for sure won't lower costs. The "lower costs" claim is voodoo economics.



The Republicans never intended to work constructively on a decent healthcare plan. They intended to win elections in 2010, and a good healthcare bill, a gold star for the president, would not have helped them to win offices in 2010.



They realized their intention.

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Of course there will be "death panels". Every nation with govt run health care has "death panels". They just have a different name so as not to scare people.



As far as 'input", the repubs didn't get anything into the bill. That was the entire problem. Even conservative Dems had to be bribed and then they got canned by their constituents. This is not the way to move legislation in the USA. It stunk and it stinks even more today. The left lied like it always does. We were promised bipartisan input.

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You are living in a partisan dreamland to think only Ds lie.
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