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Old June 12th, 2018, 04:19 AM   #21
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blame the anti science morons for the outbreak...the anti vaxxer dipshits
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Old June 12th, 2018, 09:28 AM   #22
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Stop making up claims to support your petty political agendas.

Mexico, does have an extensive child vaccine program.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12321777

Indonesia also now has an extensive child vaccine program WHO | Indonesia introduces five-in-one vaccine for children
Mexico? Oh, yeah, because all the other nations from south of the border never send illegals here. Just ask the group that showed up wanting amnesty..
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Old June 12th, 2018, 10:47 AM   #23
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And it is the greenie weenie vegan eating whole food trader joes shopping group that are going ALL NATURAL that are choosing not to get vaccinated.
Your statement holds a lot of weight, and I have to agree. Being in Colorado, we
have a lot of the 'all natural' population. They held meetings years ago about
'why you shouldn't vaccinate your children.'

Here's where the weight lies...
We're not going to vaccinate, but we are going to support socialized medicine.

One of the contradictions that turned me away from the democratic party.
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Old June 12th, 2018, 10:53 AM   #24
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Yes because Mexico, Central American, Pacific rim, indonesian nations DO NOT HAVE Vaccine programs.

So when they come to our country ILLEGALLY they come here UNVACCINATED.

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Yah. See https://www.migrantclinician.org/fil...biig-MX-CA.pdf. Clearly, there is a vaccination program in Mexico. I'll look into the degree of compliance with the program there. & I'll look @ the other targets here.

& BTW, Indonesia is a single nation, TMK.

In the case of Mexico, vaccination programs are typically paid for by the state, although vaccinations are also available through private practitioners. Again, it's a research project. Mexico's immunization schedule is different from the US, so where children are in the schedule if they enter the US varies according to their age & their compliance with the vaccination schedule.
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Old June 12th, 2018, 10:54 AM   #25
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Stop making up claims to support your petty political agendas.

Mexico, does have an extensive child vaccine program.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12321777

Indonesia also now has an extensive child vaccine program WHO | Indonesia introduces five-in-one vaccine for children
Then why is CA. experiencing an upsurge in diseases that were almost nonexistent? Could it be because of those entering from our southern border?
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Old June 12th, 2018, 03:02 PM   #26
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Some trends

I see an upsurge in STDs in CA - see https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/05/15...ghs-for-third/

"NPR | May 15, 2018

"California has seen a record rise in cases of sexually transmitted diseases and a spike in the number of stillbirths caused by syphilis. It marks the third year in a row that the state has seen a rise in the spread of STDs.

"More than 300,000 cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea and early syphilis were counted in 2017, according to the latest report by the California Department of Public Health. Health officials said the upsurge constitutes a 45 percent increase compared to five years ago.

"But what is "particularly concerning" to the department is that the number of stillbirths due to congenital syphilis increased to 30 — the highest number reported since 1995. And the overall cases of California babies born with the disease — passed through the placenta from their mothers — has more than quadrupled since 2013 to 278 last year. It can cause severe neurological problems, deformities or blindness, among other serious ailments."

(My emphasis - more @ the URL.)

It would be easier to approach the question from the other direction. Which diseases are going from almost nonexistent to an upsurge?

There's also this, from later in the above article:

"The data out of California are consistent with the most recent nationwide numbers available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which logged more sexually transmitted diseases than ever in 2016. More than two million cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis were diagnosed in the United States that year and early reports indicate 2017 may be another record setting year.

"Alaska, Louisiana and Mississippi had the most chlamydia cases per capita, while Mississippi, Louisiana, and Georgia ranked highest for gonorrhea. The District of Columbia, Louisiana and New York scored ignominious recognition for cases of syphilis."

(My emphasis)

So there's a general trend in STDs nationwide, & not just in CA, nor even just along with the border with Mexico.
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I see an upsurge in STDs in CA - see https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/05/15...ghs-for-third/

"NPR | May 15, 2018

"California has seen a record rise in cases of sexually transmitted diseases and a spike in the number of stillbirths caused by syphilis. It marks the third year in a row that the state has seen a rise in the spread of STDs.

"More than 300,000 cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea and early syphilis were counted in 2017, according to the latest report by the California Department of Public Health. Health officials said the upsurge constitutes a 45 percent increase compared to five years ago.

"But what is "particularly concerning" to the department is that the number of stillbirths due to congenital syphilis increased to 30 — the highest number reported since 1995. And the overall cases of California babies born with the disease — passed through the placenta from their mothers — has more than quadrupled since 2013 to 278 last year. It can cause severe neurological problems, deformities or blindness, among other serious ailments."

(My emphasis - more @ the URL.)

It would be easier to approach the question from the other direction. Which diseases are going from almost nonexistent to an upsurge?

There's also this, from later in the above article:

"The data out of California are consistent with the most recent nationwide numbers available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which logged more sexually transmitted diseases than ever in 2016. More than two million cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis were diagnosed in the United States that year and early reports indicate 2017 may be another record setting year.

"Alaska, Louisiana and Mississippi had the most chlamydia cases per capita, while Mississippi, Louisiana, and Georgia ranked highest for gonorrhea. The District of Columbia, Louisiana and New York scored ignominious recognition for cases of syphilis."

(My emphasis)

So there's a general trend in STDs nationwide, & not just in CA, nor even just along with the border with Mexico.
Thats why we should be pushing for more birth control pills. They do great at std control. I know condoms have been free forever, but come on, who wants tax payer funded condoms. Sex is much better by using oral birth control.
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Then why is CA. experiencing an upsurge in diseases that were almost nonexistent? Could it be because of those entering from our southern border?
Unlikely. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.488c9179ca40

"The Philippines and India are on a top 10 list of sources of illegal immigrants, but about three-quarters of all illegal immigrants come from just four countries — Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. And it turns out that these countries have pretty good records on immunization rates.

"Here’s how the countries compare to the United States over the four most recent years of data, according to the World Health Organization:

United States: 92 percent (2010); 92 (2011); 92 (2012); 91 (2013)

Mexico: 95 (2010); 98 (2011); 99 (2012); 89 (2013)
El Salvador: 92 (2010); 89 (2011); 93 (2012); 94 (2013)
Guatemala: 93 (2010); 89 (2011); 93 (2012); 85 (2013)
Honduras: 98 (2010); 95 (2011); 93 (2012); 89 (2013)

"As you can see, in most years, the other countries had better vaccination rates than the United States, though there was a sudden decline in 2013 in every country but El Salvador. Still, these are fairly high vaccination rates, making it much less likely that illegal immigrants from these countries are a source of the outbreak."

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

Also gives useful information on the measles outbreak @ Disney. It would be easier to track specific diseases, rather than these global inquiries.
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Old June 13th, 2018, 09:17 AM   #29
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Unlikely. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.488c9179ca40

"The Philippines and India are on a top 10 list of sources of illegal immigrants, but about three-quarters of all illegal immigrants come from just four countries — Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. And it turns out that these countries have pretty good records on immunization rates.

"Here’s how the countries compare to the United States over the four most recent years of data, according to the World Health Organization:

United States: 92 percent (2010); 92 (2011); 92 (2012); 91 (2013)

Mexico: 95 (2010); 98 (2011); 99 (2012); 89 (2013)
El Salvador: 92 (2010); 89 (2011); 93 (2012); 94 (2013)
Guatemala: 93 (2010); 89 (2011); 93 (2012); 85 (2013)
Honduras: 98 (2010); 95 (2011); 93 (2012); 89 (2013)

"As you can see, in most years, the other countries had better vaccination rates than the United States, though there was a sudden decline in 2013 in every country but El Salvador. Still, these are fairly high vaccination rates, making it much less likely that illegal immigrants from these countries are a source of the outbreak."

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

Also gives useful information on the measles outbreak @ Disney. It would be easier to track specific diseases, rather than these global inquiries.
Oh those nasty facts again. Conservatives absofuckinglutely hate them.
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Old June 13th, 2018, 09:22 AM   #30
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Your statement holds a lot of weight, and I have to agree. Being in Colorado, we
have a lot of the 'all natural' population. They held meetings years ago about
'why you shouldn't vaccinate your children.'

Here's where the weight lies...
We're not going to vaccinate, but we are going to support socialized medicine.

One of the contradictions that turned me away from the democratic party.
um

socialized medicine doesn't FORCE you to get medical care

it makes it available to you if you want it

to leave the Democratic party over that is incredibly misinformed decision making
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