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Old February 27th, 2015, 01:17 AM   #21
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It is superior if you want to die from Cancer, or other diseases.

If you don't play the "Hey Watch This game" you will live longer in the US too.



UK ranks 16th behind the US in saving lives.
Having the best medical treatment that money can buy doesn't make a superior health care system.

Can You Afford Your Cancer Care? - US News

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A cancer diagnosis is usually a double whammy: The disease itself is daunting, and the cost of treatments is an aftershock. Cancer patients are two and a half times more likely to file for bankruptcy than other Americans, according to a study by the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.

The study found that young people are particularly vulnerable to bankruptcy, especially if they're in the midst of paying off student, house and car loans.

“The biggest problem is that we’re now creating an economic disparity between who can afford treatment and who can’t,” says Scott Ramsey, a physician and health economist at Fred Hutchinson who led the study. Ramsey adds that sometimes patients have stopped therapy because they can’t afford it – and that can be a fatal decision. Leukemia patients who stop taking Gleevec, for example, risk recurrence, which can lead to death.

The heart of the problem, Ramsey adds, is that cancer drugs in the U.S. come with a hefty price tag, with some costing about $10,000 a month, and copays that are 20 to 30 percent of that. So treating cancer costs about 20 percent more than other chronic diseases – and its costs are increasing the most, Ramsey says. “It’s a huge burden right now, especially if patients lose their ability to work. They can lose their insurance if they have to go on disability, and often family members have to take care of them. It’s a pretty burdensome disease.”
Cancer treatment is for EVERYONE in the UK. NOT just the rich as it is in the US.

U.S. life expectancy on the rise, but progress lags global peers? - The Washington Post

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But other countries are improving faster. Americans born in 2010 could expect to live 78.2 years, up from 75.2 years in 1990, but that ranked 27th among the 34 nations considered its economic peers. The United States also ranked 27th in high body-mass index, an indicator of obesity, and 29th on blood sugar.

“The United States spends more than the rest of the world on health care and leads the world in the quality and quantity of its health research, but that doesn’t add up to better health outcomes,” said Christopher J.L. Murray, director of the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, and one of the study’s lead authors. “The country has done a good job of preventing premature deaths from stroke, but when it comes to lung cancer, preterm birth complications and a range of other causes, the country isn’t keeping pace with high-income countries in Europe, Asia and elsewhere.”
For profit medicine which is the republican plan ONLY profits from sick people. THAT makes us live shorter lives than those with socialized medicine who treat the patient as responsible for being healthy.
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Old February 28th, 2015, 05:21 AM   #22
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Maybe because it is medical breakthroughs

Britain does not have better outcomes than the US.
Living longer is a better outcome.
Being treated for a disease, results in better outcomes than the millions of Americans who did not have access to treatment (before ObamaCare) and who had to forego treatment.

And you don't see the British lining up for hours to be treated in animal stalls, like you do in America.....
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Absolutely. And they live longer.
This is what you call better?

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More than a dozen hospitals across Great Britain declared "major incidents" this past week, with non-emergency operations cancelled and extra staff called in to cope with overcrowded emergency rooms. Still, the backlog in waiting rooms keeps growing.

The horror stories just keep coming in: long lines outside emergency departments just to get into the waiting room and of hospitals locking their doors to keep new arrivals away.

In Portsmouth in southern England, patient David Cunningham watched the scene outside his hospital's accident and emergency department, or "A&E."

"There had been ambulances parked outside for five hours with their patients inside, who were being treated by paramedics," Cunningham said. "They couldn't even get in the A&E department."

New figures show not one National Health Service hospital system in England has met the government's target of treating 95 percent of emergency room patients within four hours. But no matter how hard nurse Sara Gwilt works, she won't make that target because there are simply no hospital beds for the patients she sees.

"Problem is, we've just got nowhere to put people," Gwilt says. "We can deal with them in A&E, we can put them through, but there's just nowhere to put them. The volume coming in is just too much."
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Having the best medical treatment that money can buy doesn't make a superior health care system.

Can You Afford Your Cancer Care? - US News



Cancer treatment is for EVERYONE in the UK. NOT just the rich as it is in the US.

U.S. life expectancy on the rise, but progress lags global peers? - The Washington Post



For profit medicine which is the republican plan ONLY profits from sick people. THAT makes us live shorter lives than those with socialized medicine who treat the patient as responsible for being healthy.
England can not keep up with demand. They will go broke if they do not change

NHS may be forced to abandon free healthcare for all, says Britain's top doctor as he warns service needs radical change | Daily Mail Online
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And a baby born in Cuba has a better chance of living than a baby born in the US.
If we looked at how other countries calculated infant mortality, would the numbers be the same?
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The problems with the UK's health care system are sever, and notorious. Namely, access and quality. Any perfunctory examination of their system should have told you that.
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If we looked at how other countries calculated infant mortality, would the numbers be the same?
If they don't survive the first year they count as an infant mortality, if they live they don't.
A child born in Cuba has a better chance of living to one year old, than a child born in the US. Because everyone in Cuba has access to basic medical care, whereas there are millions in the US who do not.
If you have health insurance in the US, good health insurance, like union members or bankers have, the odds are greatly improved, and you get the kind of care a person in Western Europe or Britain would get.
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The problems with the UK's health care system are sever, and notorious. Namely, access and quality. Any perfunctory examination of their system should have told you that.
Then why, in a democracy like Britain is there no call to switch to a system like we have in the US, which would cost them nearly 3 times as much, and provide the average person with less care?
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If they don't survive the first year they count as an infant mortality, if they live they don't.
A child born in Cuba has a better chance of living to one year old, than a child born in the US. Because everyone in Cuba has access to basic medical care, whereas there are millions in the US who do not.
If you have health insurance in the US, good health insurance, like union members or bankers have, the odds are greatly improved, and you get the kind of care a person in Western Europe or Britain would get.
Who does not have access to health care in the US? Surviving one-year is not the standard calculation of many countries. Tell us how they base their calculation, and how that applies to the US.
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Who does not have access to health care in the US? Surviving one-year is not the standard calculation of many countries. Tell us how they base their calculation, and how that applies to the US.
People without health insurance don't usually have the money to purchase health care. They can get emergency care, but they get stabilized and shown the door. You can't get pre-natal care unless you pay, and people without insurance usually go without, which results in a higher infant mortality rate.
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