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Old February 28th, 2015, 10:54 AM   #41
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California is a prime example of that. Well over 100 hospital ER's have closed do to illegal aliens using them as their primary care providers. Which puts the legal citizens within those areas at risk.
That's racist nonsense...
Like the charge that "unvaccinated illegal aliens" were bringing disease into the US. Vaccination rates are higher in Mexico and Central America than they are in the US, if you want to deal with facts....
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Old February 28th, 2015, 01:53 PM   #42
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Living longer is a better outcome.
Being treated for a disease, results in better outcomes than the millions of Americans who did not have access to treatment (before ObamaCare) and who had to forego treatment.

And you don't see the British lining up for hours to be treated in animal stalls, like you do in America.....
Living longer is not a better outcome regarding quality of medicine. It is in the UK that they line up for months, not in the US.
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Old February 28th, 2015, 01:58 PM   #43
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In surveys, 61.3% of Britons say they are satisfied with their current health system, and that only minor changes are needed.
In the US, 28.9% responded like that.
British Satisfied With NHS - Business Insider

But that was before ObamaCare kicked in.....

More importantly, the NHS costs Britain about 40% of what a US type system would cost to provide the same level of care.
So if the issue is money, they are not looking to go to a US type system.
More importantly, the same cutting-edge medical treatments available in the US are not offered by the NHS.
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More importantly, the same cutting-edge medical treatments available in the US are not offered by the NHS.
So you prefer to die from lack of medical care, so long as your betters are looked after....very touching sentiment, you are a good serf...
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If they don't survive the first year they count as an infant mortality, if they live they don't.
A child born in Cuba has a better chance of living to one year old, than a child born in the US. Because everyone in Cuba has access to basic medical care, whereas there are millions in the US who do not.
If you have health insurance in the US, good health insurance, like union members or bankers have, the odds are greatly improved, and you get the kind of care a person in Western Europe or Britain would get.
A child born in Cuba does not have a better chance of living one year over a child born in the US.

You don't seem to have a clue how infant mortality is calculated.
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Old February 28th, 2015, 02:18 PM   #46
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So you prefer to die from lack of medical care, so long as your betters are looked after....very touching sentiment, you are a good serf...
Is that all you have after being caught in another one of hike fabrications?

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Old February 28th, 2015, 04:22 PM   #47
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That's racist nonsense...
Like the charge that "unvaccinated illegal aliens" were bringing disease into the US. Vaccination rates are higher in Mexico and Central America than they are in the US, if you want to deal with facts....
no it's not. several border hospitals have closed because of all the illegals using their ER's and never paying. hospitals can't operate for free.

Illegal aliens threatenU.S. medical system


Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker.







He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an “anchor baby” – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.





But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.

The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two “anchor babies.”

While President Bush says the U.S. needs more “cheap labor” from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren’t willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.

In fact, the increasing number of illegal aliens coming into the United States is forcing the closure of hospitals, spreading previously vanquished diseases and threatening to destroy America’s prized health-care system, says a report in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

“The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences,” writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. “We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen.”

According to her study, 84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system.
“Anchor babies,” the author writes, “born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income.”

In addition, the report says, “many illegal aliens harbor

Read more at Illegal aliens threatenU.S. medical system

]http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17760618/ns/health-second_opinion/t/border-town-hospitals-straddle-care-costs/#.VPJou2c5DoY

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2000/06/border-hospitals-brink

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/03/18/la-emergency-rooms-full-illegal-immigrants/

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jun.../na-hospital20

do you need more links?

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Old February 28th, 2015, 04:28 PM   #48
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That's racist nonsense...
Like the charge that "unvaccinated illegal aliens" were bringing disease into the US. Vaccination rates are higher in Mexico and Central America than they are in the US, if you want to deal with facts....
no it's not. several border hospitals have closed because of all the illegals using their ER's and never paying. hospitals can't operate for free.

Illegal aliens threatenU.S. medical system

Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker.

He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an “anchor baby” – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.

But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.

The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two “anchor babies.”

While President Bush says the U.S. needs more “cheap labor” from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren’t willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.

In fact, the increasing number of illegal aliens coming into the United States is forcing the closure of hospitals, spreading previously vanquished diseases and threatening to destroy America’s prized health-care system, says a report in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

“The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences,” writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. “We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen.”

According to her study, 84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system.
“Anchor babies,” the author writes, “born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income.”

In addition, the report says, “many illegal aliens harbor

Read more at Illegal aliens threatenU.S. medical system

Border town hospitals straddle care and costs - Health - Second Opinion | NBC News

Border Hospitals on the Brink | Mother Jones

L.A. Emergency Rooms Full of Illegal Immigrants | Fox News


84 hospitals have closed in CA
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/201...ost-hospitals/


do you need more links GOOBER??

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Then why, in a democracy like Britain is there no call to switch to a system like we have in the US, which would cost them nearly 3 times as much, and provide the average person with less care?
Absolutely a GREAT question. NONE of those nations with socialized medicine have EVER clamored to have our for profit health care.
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only superior in the number of people that die because they do not receive proper treatment, US has the highest cure rate, UK is 16th


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