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Old September 2nd, 2016, 01:28 PM   #21
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The fact that I have to chip in to cover the people that have not been keeping up on their matinance schedule, running on high octane fuels recklessly and imports that no one knows anything about their matinance records.

How does that not make sense?

Those are some of the reasons that this Obamacare is such a mess.
And you are perfect ?? Never eat, drink or in anyway consume things that aren't good for you ?? Never have ? Never will ? No steak n taters ?? Never a big fat greasy burger, or rack of ribs ?? Never drive too fast, ride motorcycles, never take any chances at all ?? Your job is super safe ?? What about genetics ?? My family is pretty long lived. I have friends that are starting to sweat due to their family histories. What's your family history ?
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And you are perfect ?? Never eat, drink or in anyway consume things that aren't good for you ?? Never have ? Never will ? No steak n taters ?? Never a big fat greasy burger, or rack of ribs ?? Never drive too fast, ride motorcycles, never take any chances at all ?? Your job is super safe ?? What about genetics ?? My family is pretty long lived. I have friends that are starting to sweat due to their family histories. What's your family history ?
You just hit on something I have discussed before. The true cost of freedom. Yes, we pay more for health care because of fat people. But that is part of the cost of living in a free society where your not penalized by the government for being fat. People do not get that. Everyone wants a law. Everyone thinks they should subjugate that person or that group to this law, then we need a law to protect those people from these people. In the end we just subjugate our selves to more tyranny and oppression.
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You just hit on something I have discussed before. The true cost of freedom. Yes, we pay more for health care because of fat people. But that is part of the cost of living in a free society where your not penalized by the government for being fat. People do not get that. Everyone wants a law. Everyone thinks they should subjugate that person or that group to this law, then we need a law to protect those people from these people. In the end we just subjugate our selves to more tyranny and oppression.

You are so right !!

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And you are perfect ?? Never eat, drink or in anyway consume things that aren't good for you ?? Never have ? Never will ? No steak n taters ?? Never a big fat greasy burger, or rack of ribs ?? Never drive too fast, ride motorcycles, never take any chances at all ?? Your job is super safe ?? What about genetics ?? My family is pretty long lived. I have friends that are starting to sweat due to their family histories. What's your family history ?
i never said that i was. last time i tried to get life insurance they denied me. i pay extra for insurance because of my reckless past and i understand why. i had to get a full diagnostic run because of multiple concussions and surprisingly there was absolutely nothing wrong w/ me besides low potassium levels i was given a green light. my point is that we are adding more and more people into an already broken system that have not taken care of themselves and suddenly they are breaking down and we are supposed to cover the costs. bullshit.
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i never said that i was. last time i tried to get life insurance they denied me. i pay extra for insurance because of my reckless past and i understand why. i had to get a full diagnostic run because of multiple concussions and surprisingly there was absolutely nothing wrong w/ me besides low potassium levels i was given a green light. my point is that we are adding more and more people into an already broken system that have not taken care of themselves and suddenly they are breaking down and we are supposed to cover the costs. bullshit.
So you lucked out, but for the other poor bastards it's kick 'em to the curb time?
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Regular maintenance is expensive, prohibitively so for more than you might imagine.

You just made one argument in favor of national healthcare. And let's not play any "charity" games here. The healthcare system as it now exists is not going to practice charity nor is it going to reform itself voluntarily.

Right now capitalists follow a survival of the fittest credo, jungle consciousness nothing more or less, though in the case of healthcare it's survival of the richest.

Fear and greed are the main capitalist motivators.

Regular maintenance is not expensive.

i don't care if there is a national health care as long as it is optional. if you opt out and don't take care of yourself and don't find an alternative then when you break down on the side of the road don't expect AAA to magically appear to fix you up.
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Addressing Sabcat post that apparently no one seems to grasp. The government involvement in health care, taking the attitude of Clara has allowed the cost of products and services to increase in price because it removed the free market. Secondly if you believe that single payer or government ran health care is better or equal to what we have now you have never been in that system. If you are in that system and you think its better health care than what is available in the United States then you need to research that.
Reverse Medical Tourism Points Up Pluses and Minuses of U.S. Healthcare - CBS News

The bottom line is this. If we want free health care for all then you best understand the quality of health care and treatment will go down. You are dreaming if you think government managed health care will be better than what we have. Also the amount of taxation inflicted on the working class to pay for it would be questionable if it will even be cheaper.
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So you lucked out, but for the other poor bastards it's kick 'em to the curb time?
No one gets kicked to the curb and denied health care in the United States. They may not get the private room and they may not get the best care available, but they get care.
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So you lucked out, but for the other poor bastards it's kick 'em to the curb time?
i am not an organ donor and i don't expect to grab one off the list if one of mine fails.

lets have the nation stop taking in strays and then IMO issues like this one become more logical to entertain.

i honestly think that removing the state from medicine is the first step to fixing it. that means completely. patent laws, lobbyists, the FDA, DEA along w/ medic/medicare the works and obamacare. all the government does when it gets involved with things is fucks them up and makes them more inefficient and costly.

or maybe i am wrong...no there are not any government programs that are not inefficient, costly and corrupt.
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Addressing Sabcat post that apparently no one seems to grasp. The government involvement in health care, taking the attitude of Clara has allowed the cost of products and services to increase in price because it removed the free market. Secondly if you believe that single payer or government ran health care is better or equal to what we have now you have never been in that system. If you are in that system and you think its better health care than what is available in the United States then you need to research that.
Reverse Medical Tourism Points Up Pluses and Minuses of U.S. Healthcare - CBS News

The bottom line is this. If we want free health care for all then you best understand the quality of health care and treatment will go down. You are dreaming if you think government managed health care will be better than what we have. Also the amount of taxation inflicted on the working class to pay for it would be questionable if it will even be cheaper.
For someone like my bank teller with two children who lost her Medicaid benefits when she got a raise in pay that did not cover her insurance premiums, single payer or government-run health care would be better than what she has now, which is nothing.

From your link:
While soaring medical costs in this country have driven many Americans to seek healthcare abroad, many patients from other nations continue to seek high-end care in the U.S. Some hospitals that have a reputation for treating certain ailments -- especially rare ones -- are doing a good reverse medical tourism business. But if our primary care was as good as, say, our ability to cure infant heart defects, fewer of our own citizens would be going to India or Mexico for routine operations.
Survival of the richest, again.

When have you been in government-run healthcare systems? If we want free health care for all then you best understand the quality of health care and treatment will go down FOR SOME, and for others healthcare will improve.

But in an atmosphere of fear and greed, partial equalization of care is to be avoided, eh coke?
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