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Old September 2nd, 2016, 03:48 AM   #1
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When the free market fails as it has in the US healthcare market (delivering half the value for twice the cost).
What is the proper response?
Is healthcare a human right?
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Old September 2nd, 2016, 06:19 AM   #2
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When the free market fails as it has in the US healthcare market (delivering half the value for twice the cost).
What is the proper response?
Is healthcare a human right?
"the failure of the american education system" is what your title should read.

it is sad to think that you are to stupid or so poorly educated the believe the the healthcare system is free marked.

sad little booger bumped his head on the keyboard again
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We have Medicare, Medicaid, Obama Care and no telling what else I am missing. Yet Goober calls it a free market system. Hilarious to say the least.
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When the free market fails as it has in the US healthcare market (delivering half the value for twice the cost).
What is the proper response?
Is healthcare a human right?


Maybe the bigger question is this: Is universal healthcare a right or a privilege? Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it??
I know there are those who disagree, but isn't universal healthcare (if nothing else) the SMART thing to do? Why would anyone WANT a country who's people/children are sick, weak, and stupid?? We the people want our leaders and military--our scientists, doctors, teachers, engineers--to be strong and healthy. All industrialized nations other than the United States provide healthcare to everyone. Economists state providing health care is good public policy. Getting our nation healthy will create better resilience.
We cannot be 'exceptional' if we are not healthy. We cannot make wise choices if our minds and bodies are not cared for. It's mindblowing to think there are people who would defend denying fellow humans access to basic healthcare.
AND WHY should the wealthy or well-off be the only U.S. citizens who receive or deserve healthcare?? Is that really who we are or what we have become?
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Maybe the bigger question is this: Is universal healthcare a right or a privilege? Kind of puts a different spin on it, doesn't it??
I know there are those who disagree, but isn't universal healthcare (if nothing else) the SMART thing to do? Why would anyone WANT a country who's people/children are sick, weak, and stupid?? We the people want our leaders and military--our scientists, doctors, teachers, engineers--to be strong and healthy. All industrialized nations other than the United States provide healthcare to everyone. Economists state providing health care is good public policy. Getting our nation healthy will create better resilience.
We cannot be 'exceptional' if we are not healthy. We cannot make wise choices if our minds and bodies are not cared for. It's mindblowing to think there are people who would defend denying fellow humans access to basic healthcare.
AND WHY should the wealthy or well-off be the only U.S. citizens who receive or deserve healthcare?? Is that really who we are or what we have become?
The question is, who's paying for it and, for whom is the taxpayer on the hook for. Does anyone have a moral obligation to anyone else to support their every need?
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The question is, who's paying for it and, for whom is the taxpayer on the hook for. Does anyone have a moral obligation to anyone else to support their every need?
One way or another, unless you're advocating turning people in need of medical care out on the streets and just letting them die, society WILL pay the costs associated with healthcare or the lack thereof. And given the truth of the old adage, "A stitch in time saves nine," the cost of healthcare will be greater .... unless you're advocating turning people in need of medical care out on the streets....

It's a dream to believe anything else. And it's greed that prevents a country, a people, from acknowledging that a truly compassionate and loving attitude toward providing universal healthcare is a mark of an evolved society.
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One way or another, unless you're advocating turning people in need of medical care out on the streets and just letting them die, society WILL pay the costs associated with healthcare or the lack thereof. And given the truth of the old adage, "A stitch in time saves nine," the cost of healthcare will be greater .... unless you're advocating turning people in need of medical care out on the streets....

It's a dream to believe anything else. And it's greed that prevents a country, a people, from acknowledging that a truly compassionate and loving attitude toward providing universal healthcare is a mark of an evolved society.
Society (modern) has always paid for it! Progressivism requires it. The bigger the "entitlement base" the more power a Centralized government has. No one has a moral or economic responsibility to subsidize anyone other than their immediate family. That is what charity is for. Progressives want to flood this nation with indigent people. Why? The answer is self evident.
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The question is, who's paying for it and, for whom is the taxpayer on the hook for. Does anyone have a moral obligation to anyone else to support their every need?
Do you honestly think you aren't paying for it NOW ?? Every year the cost of insurance goes up. Every year the cost of medical care goes up, usually at 5 to as much as 10 times the rate of inflation. We ARE already paying for the poor and their healthcare.

Another question, HOW MUCH do American corporations pay for health care and insurance ??? For all the blah blah blah about tax rates, NO ONE discusses the costs associated with health care for employees, (well, at least not until Obamacare came along) My company pays 75% of my premiums.

How are our companies supposed to compete when nearly every other industrialized nation on the planet has universal health care ?? We spend 30% more per person than the next nearest country. The real number is probably closer to 50% or 60% more once you factor in the number of uninsured in the nation.


From what I found it looks like companies spend 6% to 7% for health insurance. Smaller companies are probably a MUCH higher percentage. What if we allowed a one time repatriation of cash at 20%. Dropped the top bracket from 38% to 30% but implemented a minimum 15% rate. A minimum tax rather than trying to find and close all other loop holes and incentives. You make a profit you're gonna pay something. Then use the money to implement universal coverage ?

Just like in many of those other countries, companies can still offer employees private insurance. In England private insurance works with the public system and is very inexpensive.
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One way or another, unless you're advocating turning people in need of medical care out on the streets and just letting them die, society WILL pay the costs associated with healthcare or the lack thereof. And given the truth of the old adage, "A stitch in time saves nine," the cost of healthcare will be greater .... unless you're advocating turning people in need of medical care out on the streets....

It's a dream to believe anything else. And it's greed that prevents a country, a people, from acknowledging that a truly compassionate and loving attitude toward providing universal healthcare is a mark of an evolved society.
It is way more expensive now that it is a state requirement and the state is more "involved" than it was before. There are major issues w/ it now.


Compare it to a car warranty. If I don't have regular preventative maintenance done to my car, the check engine light comes on and it is overheating and I drive it 50 miles to the service station the warranty company is going to tell me to kick rocks. They are also not going to cover a fleet of trucks that I got at an extraordinary discount from turkey all w/ upwards of 100k miles on them. If I take a daily driver to the track, decide to race it and wreck it, that's on me. Yet that is what we are expecting this forced national healthcare to do. It is ridiculous to say the least.
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