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Old January 14th, 2017, 03:47 PM   #21
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Old January 14th, 2017, 03:51 PM   #22
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Well, maybe. If we acted like the rest of those countries. You know, like not being the defender of Europe, Asia etc. etc.
I'm ok with that. Let Europe , Asia, etc. etc. defend themselves. We'll be happy to sell them top-grade weapons to do so.
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Old January 14th, 2017, 07:07 PM   #23
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They tax The living hell out of people...and let us supply their defense..Duhhhhh!!!

And there's step one. Pull all of our troops homes. Reduce military budget by 50%. We spend more than the next 17 countries COMBINED. 16 of which are our allies. Let the rest of the world provide their own defense.
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Old January 14th, 2017, 07:17 PM   #24
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We should have a thread dedicated to the details of TrumpCare.

So far we know, it costs a lot less, it provides a lot more, and it will insure everyone.

Now, I can think of a couple of plans that actually do that, Canadian Medicare, Britains National Health, or basically the plan that is in place in every other first world country comes closer to this than what we have in the US.

The only problem is that the plans that actually deliver what the GOP promises, have been excluded from consideration by the GOP.

So has anyone got an idea of what this GOP plan is?
It's been over 6 years they have had to come up with a plan, so what are the details?
Because legislation isn't a bunch of vague promises, it's a huge collection of specifics spelled out in detail.
This health care bill should be hundreds if not thousands of pages long.
Have they started working on it?

Can someone post a link to the details? If and when they are made public.

Because other than magical thinking, I haven't seen or heard anything.
You have the esteemed and honored position of being the first to start a thread on Trumpcare. Obamacare is being swept out the door and in walks Trumpcare. If I was a betting man, which I am not, would bet you that Trumpcare will not be shoved down our throats like a bitter pill.
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Old January 14th, 2017, 07:27 PM   #25
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It's easier to let them die than to retrain them. Stalin said something like that.
Well if we are going to be a socialist nation we will need to cull the heard.
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Old January 14th, 2017, 07:29 PM   #26
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So do you have a big DNR tattooed on your chest in case you have a heart attack?
That is my next tattoo. I carry a card.

Do not resuscitate. Do not revive. Not an organ donor.

I need to have my attorney sign it and have that inked too.



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Old January 14th, 2017, 07:39 PM   #27
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When was the last time you heard ANY lawmaker say something positive about Rand Paul? I hate to break it to you and Sabcat, but the GOP can't stand Paul. He's NOT his father.

There are two things that stand out in Randy's heatlhcare plan. IN fact those are the only two things outlined in the plan: 1) Health Care Savings Plan 2) Eliminate the pre-existing condition clause. Oh, and he wants to "TOY" with Medicaid.
Anyone here used the HSA?? It's a savings account for medical expenses, a tax-advantaged medical savings account you can contribute to and draw money from for certain medical expenses tax-free. HSAs can be used for out-of-pocket medical, dental, and vision. HSAs can’t be used to pay health insurance premiums. HSA’s can only be used with “High Deductible Health Plans” that count as “Minimum Essential Coverage (MEC).”

IT'S not a health care plan. Mr. Clara and I had one. We had so much moola taken out of MY paycheck and placed in the account. It was at a time when we could barely afford the house payment so the $100 that came out put us in a big bind. I hated it. Would never recommend it to anyone who is struggling to pay the bills.

We have had one for years. It is awesome. Park cash tax free. Sign me up!!!

Sucks now that every year our insurance is going up by the thousands.

Yup. The unaffordable care act.

It is criminal.
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Old January 14th, 2017, 07:43 PM   #28
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And there's step one. Pull all of our troops homes. Reduce military budget by 50%. We spend more than the next 17 countries COMBINED. 16 of which are our allies. Let the rest of the world provide their own defense.
...and stop shipping them billions. Ridiculous.

If we did all of those things and placed some serious stipulations on welfare recipients. Had a flat tax of around 10% and the government had do work w/ in a budget and stopped printing money when they needed it I would give a shit about national healthcare. As it stands we can't afford it and the costs are getting pushed on to the citizens against their will
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Old January 14th, 2017, 07:47 PM   #29
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How do other countries afford health care?

Seriously, how do so many other countries manage to do something that the USA just can't afford?
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Higher taxes.
We pay their military expenses and some of them even get money directly from us. In short the amarican citizens are subsidizing the healthcare of other nations before our own.

Clean up your own yard before you hire a lawn crew for your neighbor.
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Old January 14th, 2017, 08:11 PM   #30
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We pay their military expenses and some of them even get money directly from us. In short the amarican citizens are subsidizing the healthcare of other nations before our own.

Clean up your own yard before you hire a lawn crew for your neighbor.
Why waste the time and money to mow the lawn? I decided thirty years ago that my lawn mowing days are over. Grow Baby Grow to give the critters a place to live. Then my rich neighbors started mowing my lawn for free. I live where it is zoned agriculture and can start a hog farm if I want to.
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