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Old January 20th, 2017, 03:20 PM   #71
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Just thought I'd point out that there was no mention of health care during the inaugural address, and, there is nothing about health care on WhiteHouse.gov.

Apparently we don't need a new health care law, we already have one...

It looks like it's going to have to wait for the "Republican Plan" to get fleshed out before Trump mentions it again....
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 06:53 PM   #72
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And ObamaCare hits new highs for popularity?
45% say its a good idea, 41% say its a bad idea.
More important, 60% say the Federal Government should make sure all Americans have health coverage, while 38% say that's not the federal governments job.

Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you got til its gone....

And still, no Republican Plan....
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Old February 4th, 2017, 05:10 AM   #73
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Seriously, how do so many other countries manage to do something that the USA just can't afford?
The people telling you that you can't afford it are the people who are making vast profits out of your existing health system.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 05:44 AM   #74
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The people telling you that you can't afford it are the people who are making vast profits out of your existing health system.
They have to willfully ignore that we already have a single payer system in the US (Medicare) that saves vast amounts money, and we have a government run healthcare system, similar to a National Health Service (Veterans Administration), that saves even more than the single payer system.

So they have to insist that we can't afford health care, while suggesting that the only thing we can afford, is the most expensive system in the world, while ignoring the fact that we already have the types of health care systems in place that they insist "won't work here", and those systems are delivering equivalent results at enormous savings
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We can't afford a late model used Ford, we must have a new Mercedes, or nothing at all....I was once married to a woman like that....
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Old February 4th, 2017, 06:56 AM   #75
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You have the esteemed and honored position of being the first to start a thread on Trumpcare. Obamacare is being swept out the door and in walks Trumpcare. If I was a betting man, which I am not, would bet you that Trumpcare will not be shoved down our throats like a bitter pill.


There will be no Trumpcare because the word "care" is not something in Dirty Don't vocab.

The GOP doesn't have a clue. After all their caterwauling--after all the hissing and booing--they have NO IDEA how to begin AFTER repealing ACA. IN fact, just yesterday Pauly Ryan started using a NEW "R" word...."REPAIRING".
Isn't that special?
AND something else they weren't counting on: The budget. Trump's little projects is probably going to double the national debt.
Idiots. Every single one.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 07:24 AM   #76
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Yes, and your attitude is you got yours and fuck everyone else. I understand.

This has been the conservative issue for years and they STILL cannot connect the dots. Remember that statement Obama made years ago that Romney recreated to fit his scenario. This is how Romney and the RW spun Obama's statement: ‘If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.’
Of course that was not Obama's point. What Obama said is something that has been repeated at college graduations, motivational seminars, church services, & public schools.
Obama's point was we didn't get where we are on our own. "...somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own." "Ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the G.I. Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam.That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."
Someone else paid for my children to go to public school and I am now paying for their children to go to public school.....because I want to live in a country where our future leaders, doctors, scientists, engineers, lawmakers are educated. I want my military to be well educated because if they aren't our national security is trash. I pay taxes so everyone has advantages: clean water, air, food, medicine, police protection, fire fighters, highways, bridges, and healthcare. Why would anyone want to live in a country where contagious diseases thrive--where infant mortality increases---where life expectancy plummets---where children can't get surgical procedures??
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Old February 10th, 2017, 12:21 PM   #77
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Health Care isn't only an individual concern, it's a public concern.
There are such things as epidemics that must be dealt with as a public concern, if you are going to be a member of society.

And you aren't forced to pay for health care, you aren't forced to pay taxes, it's a choice.
You aren't forced to participate in the economic system, you can join a monastery, lead a contemplative life, take a vow of poverty and you are tax free.
But if you want to participate in commerce, if you want to be a part of the public, there are rules.
It is said to hear the above mentioned immoral and ignorant statements.

In free market economy as the American economy is healthcare is provided by private healthcare companies and is paid for directly by patients or by private healthcare insurance companies offering voluntary health insurance to all those interested in purchasing it. The poor, yet the poor who cannot afford to pay for healthcare in free market economy die from illnesses, which is moral: unproductive members of society of free men and women die out, while productive members of society of free men and women survive and develop.

In socialist economy as China and North Korea is healthcare is provided by state-owned clinics or independent clinics owned by doctors, and is paid by the state for all citizens of the state, which is moral as well: in socialist economy everyone is given employment and pays for healthcare through social security taxes, therefore everyone is guaranteed free healthcare, which is viewed as public good.

In contrast, obamacare is slavery through backdoor: it requires a citizen to purchase health insurance or to pay a duty to the state, whether a citizen has income or does not have income, seeking to de-facto enslave unemployed citizens, already oppressed and dispossessed by the American society, for failure to purchase medical services he either cannot pay or does not desire to pay for. Therefore, obamacare is unconstitutional and immoral, and will swiftly be repealed by the US Congress without any replacement whatsoever, as the United States of America with its every growing debt cannot afford it.

There are of course reasonable policies available to promote access to healthcare of poor American citizens:

- to promote infrastructure investments, creating employment for the poor Americans;
- to significantly reduce US income tax rates and US corporate tax rates;
- to limit doctor malpractice compensation for patients to no more than the market value of 14700 ounces of silver;
- to allow medical insurance companies to do business in all US states to increase competition;
- to establish automatic US recognition of credential of doctors and nurses trained overseas;
- to promote charitable palliative care and voluntary euthanasia for patients with incurable infection diseases as HIV and incurable chronic diseases as cancer;
- to abolish free access to emergency room of hospitals, a feeding frenzy for illegal and criminal aliens and poor Americans, that imposes ever growing debt burden upon hospitals;
- to limit medicare and medicaid expenditures to no more than 500 billion USD per annum, as such crowd out private investments in American healthcare;
- to encourage medical insurance companies to allow insured to add their parents, spouses and children to their policies at fixed co-payments adequately covering costs of their medical care;
- to encourage medical insurance companies to limit annual medical expenditures per insured to no more than the market value of 14700 ounces of silver, to suppress costly medical treatments and overuse of healthcare facilities by insured.

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Old March 8th, 2017, 04:42 AM   #78
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At Last!
A Republican Plan.
So does it cover everyone?
Well everyone would have the right to buy Health Insurance....
Does it reduce premiums? Yes, those who choose to go without pay nothing...
Does it reduce deductibles? No, in order to lower some premiums, it makes deductibles higher.
Will rates go down? For those who choose to go uninsured, rates will be zero...
Do people save money? YES, there are nearly 600 billion in savings (going to people who earn over $200,000/yr)



That's almost exactly what Trump and Ryan promised, except for covering everyone and lowering premiums and providing better coverage.

But you knew they were lying, right?
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Old March 8th, 2017, 05:06 AM   #79
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At Last!
A Republican Plan.
So does it cover everyone?
Well everyone would have the right to buy Health Insurance....
Does it reduce premiums? Yes, those who choose to go without pay nothing...
Does it reduce deductibles? No, in order to lower some premiums, it makes deductibles higher.
Will rates go down? For those who choose to go uninsured, rates will be zero...
Do people save money? YES, there are nearly 600 billion in savings (going to people who earn over $200,000/yr)

That's almost exactly what Trump and Ryan promised, except for covering everyone and lowering premiums and providing better coverage.

But you knew they were lying, right?
At least, it no longer forces anyone to purchase health insurance or to pay discriminatory tax to the US federal government for not purchasing health insurance, respecting derivative-natural right to economic freedom of those US citizens and residents who freely chose not to purchase health insurance, often for religious reasons.
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Old March 10th, 2017, 04:13 AM   #80
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At least, it no longer forces anyone to purchase health insurance or to pay discriminatory tax to the US federal government for not purchasing health insurance, respecting derivative-natural right to economic freedom of those US citizens and residents who freely chose not to purchase health insurance, often for religious reasons.
The current bill doesn't do any of those things, because it's so bad that even Republicans will vote against it.
That means back to the drawing board, to come up with a bill that does everything the GOP promised.
For that you don't need Lyin' Ryan and the Brilliant Businessman (was that 6 or 7 bankruptcies?).
No, for the Health Care the GOP promised, you need Christ riding a cloud down from Heaven, to magically heal the sick.....
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