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Old March 10th, 2017, 04:24 AM   #81
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At Last!
A Republican Plan.
So does it cover everyone?
Well everyone would have the right to buy Health Insurance....
Does it reduce premiums? Yes, those who choose to go without pay nothing...
Does it reduce deductibles? No, in order to lower some premiums, it makes deductibles higher.
Will rates go down? For those who choose to go uninsured, rates will be zero...
Do people save money? YES, there are nearly 600 billion in savings (going to people who earn over $200,000/yr)



That's almost exactly what Trump and Ryan promised, except for covering everyone and lowering premiums and providing better coverage.

But you knew they were lying, right?

The Greatest Healthcare Plan in the World (Trumpcare) is a 123-page bill that would cover fewer people, allow insurers to sell lower-quality insurance, and dramatically raise prices for the poor. The primary beneficiaries of the plan appear to be members of the middle class, who might receive a larger tax credit, and the rich, who would enjoy a sizable tax cut.
Instead of subsidizing enrollees based on income, Trumpcare would provide refundable tax credits based primarily on age. (The G.O.P. plan would also account for no variation in costs between regional markets, which could disproportionately hurt rural consumers.) Medicaid expansion would survive but the burden would be placed on the states--most of which are already up to their necks in debt.
Young, healthy people can choose to forgo insurance until they need it, if they are willing to incur the penalty, the elderly would see much higher premiums without Obamacare’s subsidies—especially if they end up shunted into higher risk pools. Higher risk pools---higher premiums.
AND here's a question: Will Congress be required to buy Trumpcare??
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Old March 10th, 2017, 04:31 AM   #82
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The current bill doesn't do any of those things, because it's so bad that even Republicans will vote against it.
That means back to the drawing board, to come up with a bill that does everything the GOP promised.
For that you don't need Lyin' Ryan and the Brilliant Businessman (was that 6 or 7 bankruptcies?).
No, for the Health Care the GOP promised, you need Christ riding a cloud down from Heaven, to magically heal the sick.....
Frankly, I sincerely hope, obamacare - back door to slavery, will swiftly be repealed by the US Congress, without any replacements: obamacare is unconstitutional and the US federal government does not have revenue to fund it or any other similar program.
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Old April 21st, 2017, 04:17 AM   #83
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And now the GOP is making noise about bringing the "Repeal and Replace Show" back for a return engagement.
They haven't resolved any of the issues that killed it a few weeks ago, but they are sure that they will be able to do in a week, what they haven't been able to do in 7 years....

Besides that the "Tax Reform Show" looks like a turkey, that won't last long, so they need something to entertain people between now and the 2018 elections.

Sounds like we need to find an enemy and defeat it....
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Old April 21st, 2017, 05:43 AM   #84
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And now the GOP is making noise about bringing the "Repeal and Replace Show" back for a return engagement.
They haven't resolved any of the issues that killed it a few weeks ago, but they are sure that they will be able to do in a week, what they haven't been able to do in 7 years....

Besides that the "Tax Reform Show" looks like a turkey, that won't last long, so they need something to entertain people between now and the 2018 elections.

Sounds like we need to find an enemy and defeat it....


According to some sources, the new plan is worse than the old plan. The new proposal would still massively cut Medicaid, but the new twist is that states can opt out of the essential health benefits, and the law against charging people different premiums based on pre-existing conditions. "The essential health benefits (EHBs) are a package of 10 needs — like maternity care, prescription drugs, substance abuse disorders, etc. — that all insurance plans are required to cover. To justify abandoning the EHBs, states would simply have to demonstrate to the federal government that doing so would raise the number of insured people in their state, make premiums cheaper, or somehow "advance" the "public interest." The Week
Maternity care? Seriously. Why do Republicans hate women so much? I mean everyone's got a MOTHER or a SISTER or a DAUGHTER or a WIFE, don't they? OR were these guys raised by wolves? Apparently their logic is this: Why should men have to pay for maternity care, when they will never need it by definition?

AND then there's this. The new TrumpCare would allow states to opt out of that second regulation: the one preventing insurers from charging wildly different premiums. It comes with a catch, though. States that opt out would have to join "high-risk pools" — systems for subsidizing sick customers, so they can afford the much higher premiums they'd be charged.

So to review. Women will have to pull over to the roadside. Pop that baby out (be sure to have boiling water and blankets on hand). Then get back in the car and go home. Super plan, GOP......AND insurance premiums will vary, depending on what ghastly disease we've got. If you've got cancer, prepare to die sooner rather than later, but hey--the GOP will have what they've always wanted: To decrease the surplus population.
What kind of IQ do these guys have?? Obviously they are dumber than a box of bricks.
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According to some sources, the new plan is worse than the old plan. The new proposal would still massively cut Medicaid, but the new twist is that states can opt out of the essential health benefits, and the law against charging people different premiums based on pre-existing conditions. "The essential health benefits (EHBs) are a package of 10 needs — like maternity care, prescription drugs, substance abuse disorders, etc. — that all insurance plans are required to cover. To justify abandoning the EHBs, states would simply have to demonstrate to the federal government that doing so would raise the number of insured people in their state, make premiums cheaper, or somehow "advance" the "public interest." The Week
Maternity care? Seriously. Why do Republicans hate women so much? I mean everyone's got a MOTHER or a SISTER or a DAUGHTER or a WIFE, don't they? OR were these guys raised by wolves? Apparently their logic is this: Why should men have to pay for maternity care, when they will never need it by definition?

AND then there's this. The new TrumpCare would allow states to opt out of that second regulation: the one preventing insurers from charging wildly different premiums. It comes with a catch, though. States that opt out would have to join "high-risk pools" — systems for subsidizing sick customers, so they can afford the much higher premiums they'd be charged.

So to review. Women will have to pull over to the roadside. Pop that baby out (be sure to have boiling water and blankets on hand). Then get back in the car and go home. Super plan, GOP......AND insurance premiums will vary, depending on what ghastly disease we've got. If you've got cancer, prepare to die sooner rather than later, but hey--the GOP will have what they've always wanted: To decrease the surplus population.
What kind of IQ do these guys have?? Obviously they are dumber than a box of bricks.
Look another post full of hyperbole from sister Clara.


We need to plan for all of the goddam baby boomers who neglected to plan for themselves. I wish they would call it "pull the plug on a baby boomer before they become an economic burden plan"
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So Sab are you saying that you want to be the generation that pays for itself, and the generation before it?
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Old April 21st, 2017, 01:24 PM   #87
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like I've been saying: Medicare for All, with the insurance companies reverted to secondary, supplemental status! That is the only possible replacement for the ACA! But the problem is actually paying for it.
Like it or not, the only way to pay for it would be to cut the military budget by 10 percent.
That's where the real fight lays.
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like I've been saying: Medicare for All, with the insurance companies reverted to secondary, supplemental status! That is the only possible replacement for the ACA! But the problem is actually paying for it.
Like it or not, the only way to pay for it would be to cut the military budget by 10 percent.
That's where the real fight lays.
That wouldn't be a drop in the bucket. Health care spending in the US is over $3 trillion. Government programs cover $1 trillion of that now leaving $2 trillion to be paid for with new taxes.

The 15.3% Federal payroll tax brings in about $1 trillion now. All we have to do is raise the payroll tax to 45% of your gross income, off the top, before you see a penny, to pay for it.
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That wouldn't be a drop in the bucket. Health care spending in the US is over $3 trillion. Government programs cover $1 trillion of that now leaving $2 trillion to be paid for with new taxes.

The 15.3% Federal payroll tax brings in about $1 trillion now. All we have to do is raise the payroll tax to 45% of your gross income, off the top, before you see a penny, to pay for it.
Screw all that noise. That is terrible mathematics.

Remove the income tax completely. If you want insurance buy it.
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So Sab are you saying that you want to be the generation that pays for itself, and the generation before it?
I would be all for that, unfortunately my funds to do so has been stolen by the government in order to provide for a different generation
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