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Old February 15th, 2017, 06:47 AM   #51
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On a related note, I love nice restaurants, they sit you down at a beautiful table, they bring you drinks and appetizers and a wonderful meal, and then they ruin it by handing you a bill, in a perfect world, that last part wouldn't happen....
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Pity the folks in nursing homes as baby boomers move in. Collectively an annoying bunch of whiners.
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Pity the folks in nursing homes as baby boomers move in. Collectively an annoying bunch of whiners.
My mother didn't have to move in to a nursing home until after she broke her hip 4 years ago. So, since I go to visit at least once a week, I'm spending the most time I ever have in a nursing home environment.

What is startling today, is the age-range of patients...more than a handful are even younger than me....I'm seeing clear evidence that life-long alcoholism leads to early on-set of dementia...and obesity has led some to such severe diabetes, they require leg-amputations to continue living....this is the cutoff point I'd likely make if it was me! I know my wife and hopefully my kids, might not be too happy about it, but this Catholic-inspired idea of existing at all costs, does nobody any favours...especially making long-term healthcare affordable.

The nursing homes have fixed budgets for services provided, based on the number of beds, and they're lobbying the provincial government to increase the amounts for growing numbers requiring additional care because dementia is striking at earlier and earlier ages today. So, the staff are loaded with more and more work, and expected to work 12 hour shifts and overtime because so many...even long term healthcare aides are quitting under stress and exhaustion!

My mother, and a few others, have typically been mentally sound until they're getting close to the end; while so many younger patients in their 60's and 70's have almost completely lost their minds! My mother will be 99 if she makes it past the next 6 weeks, but I myself, and my siblings are seeing that she's getting close to the end this time and will likely not make it to 100....like an older sister who died at 102. The ones who do make it to advanced age, seem to live long, mostly healthy lives until the last few years before death; whereas so many younger people are debilitated by sickness and linger on for decades until the end.
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Baby Boomers: Five Reasons They Are Our Worst Generation

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IMO this is the #1 reason to get rid of socialized medicine. The baby boomers have fucked up the economy, environment, education, government basiclly they were given. They have left a wake of debt and destruction behind them that will take generations to repair, if it is even reparable. Now that that they are living well past their shelf life in spite of their selfish lifestyles they want everyone else to pay to keep them alive. I say NO!!! You should have planned ahead.

Maybe if you guys would have focused on the things that had made aging gracefully a pleasant experience for previous generations we wouldn't be in this mess. But you guys neglected family and ran through marriages like the shake of the month. You created the single mother plague that we have today and the prison culture. Now there is not the traditional saftey net the the elderly that people in other cultures and the past had. Family. You destroyed the economy and inflated property so dramaticly that your grandchildren cannot afford to buy a home. You fucked up the education system so much that your grandchildren are living w/ your kids, tens of thousands of dollars in debt for worthless degrees. Those could have been, should have been your rooms for you to live off your end days in. You decided that an estate tax was a good thing so when you die your kids will have to sell the house that you leave them (unless the bank takes it) to pay the taxes instead of just keeping it in the family. You have systematically squandered the gifts that were given to you leaving your great grandchildren w/ the tab. Now you want social security and Medicare ontop of it. For shame.
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Let me see...how do you spell scapegoating again?

The first problem with this screed is applying collective blame for improved benefits created when boomers were still children, that were offered years ago during a time of economic expansion/ and have subsequently been deliberately defunded or underfunded as boomers age and become more likely to get sick and need medical services.


When it comes to Social Security and the Canada Pension Plan up here...created to provide a minimal amount of money to retirees, it has to be noted that the first generation of beneficiaries (depression and world war II era) barely paid anything in to the plans when they started retiring in the 60's thru the 80's! WE had to pick up the tab for them...and now that it's our turn, we're told 'it's going to run out of money...better get a job at Walmart or McDonalds after you retire...since the privately managed plan offered at your workplace is going to blow up too next time we hear the word "market meltdown!"

I'm not too concerned, cause so far...at 60, I'm in better shape than most 30 year olds....although that doesn't say much for the way younger people are looking after themselves these days! Nevertheless, I'll be able to keep working indefinitely if I have to. As for health insurance, it should be universal...like we have in Canada...and we spend half as much as the US to cover the entire population, so it should be a no-brainer...if it wasn't for all the rightwing idiots who are so afraid someone living on the margins might be able to get a doctor, or go to the hospital, and avoid dying in the gutter!

But, even though I think opponents of universal healthcare are idiots, this rant touches on the real source of the problem: the way modern medicine functions. It's primarily a business...designed to treat illnesses, injuries, diseases...including lifestyle diseases like obesity and type 2 diabetes/rather than prevent illness and disease. Injuries are not preventable....although the time and degree of recovery depend greatly on your overall health! But it's estimated that 75 to 80% of sickness would likely be prevented with proper health and nutrition...including cancer and heart disease. So, we have a medical system and a health insurance system that spends little time teaching people how to prevent sickness, tries to fix problems after they've started, and makes good health unaffordable for people living in the lower economic classes, because healthy food costs more than cheap crap loaded with carbs and sugar and salt, and even opportunities for exercise are more limited than they are for people in higher income brackets. In most cities across North America, there's an average 20 year gap in life expectancy between the wealthiest neighborhoods and the poorest....there's reasons for this!

I address it as a collective problem as we are forced to participate in. Make it an option and I no longer have an issue w/ it.

The healthcare industry and the state are "in bed"w/ one and other. The astronomical costs of healthcare are a direct result of government interaction and the monopolies and laws they have created in favor of these industries. Also I believe that that there is correlation between that and how we treat health in our nation. I agree that the shit food and lack of physical activities are the major problems w/ the healt of the people.

I have no idea how you are comming up w/ the wealthy have more opportunities for exercise


This conservative crappola implies that post-WWII generations started getting divorced because of sin...never considering that marriage is as much an economic institution as a social institution, and when times are good/ many people tend to leave bad marriages. And do we need another reminder that in "the good old days" stay-at-home moms had no choice other than stay in an abusive marriage because they didn't have the means to support themselves and their children if they left an abusive husband!

My generation still remembers lots of messed up kids who were born "out of wedlock" and yanked from the mother...usually the day after she gave birth, and adopted out to a 'nice' family. Some were better than others, but even the best adopted homes didn't really feel like home to the kids...especially if the family had children of their own. Like an old girlfriend of mine, they would spend years trying to find their mothers, why they were given up for adoptiion, do they have any real brothers and/or sisters out there.

And leave it to conservatives to target the groups in society with the least amount of power and ability to fight back...in this case - young, single mothers. Blame them for violence and crime! It started with the discredited Moynihan Report half a century ago, and it keeps getting re-packaged and sent back out there time and time again!

. The welfare state is responsible for the single mother plague and is one of the worst things for our society. Look up the the % of people in the prison system that come from single parent homes. The numbers are staggering. Many of these children are on the dole from the cradle to the grave. Now we are on a third generation of welfare families.

What horseshit! Crack open a book and read why FDR and progressives in other countries wanted to create old age pension systems in the first place! It seems that "family" couldn't stop the majority of old people from dying in abject poverty back in the good old days!

Was it the boomers who did that? Or was it the governors...like Ronnie Reagan, who ended free tuition at state colleges and universities in California back in the 60's cause he said 'he wasn't going to provide free education to a bunch of hippies out protesting the War and avoiding the draft'.

You are a socialist. There is no way we are going to agree on this point. I would be happy to discuss it further w/ you. I don't think that here would be the place/time.

IMO government intervention is what has destroyed higher learning. Driving up the prices and devaluing degrees. This has exploded under the control of the boomer generation


The only thing average people are guilty of here is playing along with the system that inflates property values because the enemy of the banking class - Inflation is kept at ridiculously low levels.

who said anything about the average person. The people did not object
I don't want to bother having to look this up, but how large does an estate have to be again to be penalized by that estate tax?

From what I'm hearing lately, life expectancy is not increasing, and worse: disease-free life expectancy is actually declining...likely mostly due to what we're eating, how we're living today, along with the slow poisoning of our environment. Worth noting that the health prognosis for gen-x and millenials etc. is worse because these problems are growing...so by this rhetoric, everyone is going to be a medical problem in the future!


yes, this is why it should be optional. Someone who lives a healthy lifestyle should be able to enter into another plan w/ people of equal or lesser risk or opt out and take on the risk themselves.

About a year ago, I heard a leading health expert make what some regard as a shocking statement...basically that as he was approaching age 75, that would be his cutoff for allowing any invasive surgeries or other expensive and debilitating medical procedures for his remaining years, even though he could financially afford to do so. His reasoning was that the benefits of keeping people alive through extraordinary and expensive means late in life, not only is costly for the health system, but does little or nothing to provide a quality of live worth living!

I'm 15 years away from 75, but I've spent the past 60 years living in optimal health and being able to physically do whatever I set my mind to; and I'm not so sure if I would want to undergo operations, treatments, drugs with lots of side effects, if it meant existing/rather than living! Until very modern times, the technology just wasn't available to extend lives beyond the point where they become meaningless, and a hard look is going to have to be taken at all of the modern medicine crap to keep providing a universal health care system where it's needed most/ and not wasted by a materialistic, hedonistic culture that can't come to terms with death and dying.

IMO in a collectivist, socialized system this is how it should be. If you are no longer making a positive contribution to the hive then the resorces that it takes to prolong should be weighed against the value that the life has on the collective as a whole. More often than not if one is passed the age of contribution then the resorces should be reserved to one that is.
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Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Thank you for funding my retirement and social security check! There won't be any left by the time you get to my age. Haaaaaaaa
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This thread has popped in and out of my consciousness all day. Every time it circulates it winds up in the same place, to recirculate.

This is the god-damnedest divider issue to date. Would it be correct to call this Anarchistic Consciousness? A wave swelling, building. Hasn't begun to break.

Lesson? You can't trust old people. Turn your fucking back on them, and they'll be in your pants, one way or the other, in no time.

OK. And, as we've learned, you can't believe the press any longer, not like you could in the good ol' days. Except for a very few news outlets, it's all fake news if you disagree with it. Freedom. We, the people, need to be the Fifth Estate and report the shameless media's spinning their fake news webs. You can't trust the media. Keep saying this.

What else? How about our electoral process? If you're on the right, it's the damned illegals registering to vote, with with help of the Democrats. And if you're on the left, then it's Trump somehow getting help from Putin and Assange. Either way it sucks, and it might be both ways! Main deal: You can't trust the electoral process.

And now you can't trust fucking old people.

It's an anarchist's dream, right, Sab?
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My mother didn't have to move in to a nursing home until after she broke her hip 4 years ago. So, since I go to visit at least once a week, I'm spending the most time I ever have in a nursing home environment.

What is startling today, is the age-range of patients...more than a handful are even younger than me....I'm seeing clear evidence that life-long alcoholism leads to early on-set of dementia...and obesity has led some to such severe diabetes, they require leg-amputations to continue living....this is the cutoff point I'd likely make if it was me! I know my wife and hopefully my kids, might not be too happy about it, but this Catholic-inspired idea of existing at all costs, does nobody any favours...especially making long-term healthcare affordable.

The nursing homes have fixed budgets for services provided, based on the number of beds, and they're lobbying the provincial government to increase the amounts for growing numbers requiring additional care because dementia is striking at earlier and earlier ages today. So, the staff are loaded with more and more work, and expected to work 12 hour shifts and overtime because so many...even long term healthcare aides are quitting under stress and exhaustion!

My mother, and a few others, have typically been mentally sound until they're getting close to the end; while so many younger patients in their 60's and 70's have almost completely lost their minds! My mother will be 99 if she makes it past the next 6 weeks, but I myself, and my siblings are seeing that she's getting close to the end this time and will likely not make it to 100....like an older sister who died at 102. The ones who do make it to advanced age, seem to live long, mostly healthy lives until the last few years before death; whereas so many younger people are debilitated by sickness and linger on for decades until the end.
My mom passed away when she was 89 when she fell and broke her hip at an assisted care facility. Mom went back to the hospital and had her hip screwed back together. Dad brought her home and it was a fast downhill slide after that. The doctor gave dad a bottle of liquid morphine with a nose dropper. Mom was heavily sedated when she passed away at home and in her bed. Dad is still alive and kicking at 92.
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