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Old March 31st, 2017, 08:11 PM   #91
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You have not established that a gulf exists.
Sure I have. Almost every aspect evidences the US leads by a large margin regardless of the source.
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In a free country, I'm free to oppose money and power addicts, and I do, and I will continue my opposition.

Our country, our free country, has always had to contend with those on the private side who want to gather unto themselves WAY more than any sane person would want. These people are diseased. They suffer from addiction.

And yet, they've convinced tens of millions that their addictions are OK, and more, that any criticism of their addictions is "un-American."

We've got to shake these folks off of our backs, if it's not too late and it may be.
You can oppose a private sectors company's profits all you want and be pro government interfering and telling a private sector company how much they are allowed to pay their employees, but that is a Putin move.

The US has not always contented with profitable companies. These people are enjoying freedom that you want the government to take away.
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Money is NOT the root of all evil.
1 Timothy 6:10 (RSV)
For the love of money is the root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced their hearts with many pangs.
My statement is from the Bible quote. It is a joke.
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AND.....as usual you missed the point and the boat. You seriously need a nanny, Jimmy.
My stocks are doing beautifully--up up up.....but no one lets me boss them around. Vote or no vote. The boards do what THEY want. NOT WHAT I want.
AND I have sold stock that I wasn't happy with....but thanks for nothing.
Now, go ahead and tell me about the constitution, the founders, the amendments and all things irrelevant.
Boards are elected by stockholders. You sound like you need the government to be your nanny. It is a tough world and some people need the government to hold their hand.
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Just one really, property tax.
But the wealthy elites don't think it's fair....
The most unfair tax of them all and you support it. I find that ironic, that a person who alleges to champion the poor comes up with probably the most punitive form of tax there is. It is a fucking shame, that in the United States, that someone came up with this idea that you should pay government entities a tribute to live in your own home on your own property. When I see property tax on middle class family homes over a thousand dollars a month in Illinois, I realize that the State of Illinois is getting what it deserves with its impending collapse.
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User taxes make sense.
I assume you mean sales tax, VAT etc? Or, what we also call consumption taxes.
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The most unfair tax of them all and you support it. I find that ironic, that a person who alleges to champion the poor comes up with probably the most punitive form of tax there is. It is a fucking shame, that in the United States, that someone came up with this idea that you should pay government entities a tribute to live in your own home on your own property. When I see property tax on middle class family homes over a thousand dollars a month in Illinois, I realize that the State of Illinois is getting what it deserves with its impending collapse.
If property tax was in lieu of all income tax and completely controlled by the community it would be by far the most fair tax.

Chicago is a shining example of why it is fucked up. How much of that 1k per month actually goes directly back to that community?
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If property tax was in lieu of all income tax and completely controlled by the community it would be by far the most fair tax.

Chicago is a shining example of why it is fucked up. How much of that 1k per month actually goes directly back to that community?
Probably most of it, to the schools mostly. In Illinois property tax is used for educational funding. Along with the lottery that was going to solve funding, then the casino money, that was going to solve funding, now they want more property taxes, which did not solve the funding problem. Illinois I believe is now number 1 in property tax rates. Good job Illinois!
But I disagree with you on property tax. I think its plain wrong. Consumption tax is the most fair tax, but even the state can make that unfair. Income tax sucks, but it could be done fairly, but its not either. Property tax is figured by some statist who decides what the value of your property is. Cant see why you agree with that
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Probably most of it, to the schools mostly. In Illinois property tax is used for educational funding. Along with the lottery that was going to solve funding, then the casino money, that was going to solve funding, now they want more property taxes, which did not solve the funding problem. Illinois I believe is now number 1 in property tax rates. Good job Illinois!
But I disagree with you on property tax. I think its plain wrong. Consumption tax is the most fair tax, but even the state can make that unfair. Income tax sucks, but it could be done fairly, but its not either. Property tax is figured by some statist who decides what the value of your property is. Cant see why you agree with that
I don't agree w/ how it is done by any means. So the state come to your house, tells you it is worth some arbitrary number that you now must pay a % of. Fuck all that noise.

It could be done something more according to lots. Say 500 square feet equils a lot (for arguments sake). The community decides that for every lot you owe $1000 yr for rural going on a sliding scale to $5000 for more populate areas. The community decides that money up yearly as it sees fit. Police/schools/library/hookers/trash. Whatever. Ten people on one lot they split it one person on ten lots it's all them.

Granted that is very vague but I think you get my point.
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Money is NOT the root of all evil.
1 Timothy 6:10 (RSV)
For the love of money is the root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced their hearts with many pangs.
And how does someone amass millions and in some cases-billions of dollars if they don't love money? Seems to me a lot of other things in life have to be sacrificed on the way to joining the billionaire club...not to mention sacrificing integrity to keep that fortune.

As for Biblical references, the first Christians were pretty extreme socialists and anti-materialists in that first Christian community...would be disciples had to give ALL of their money and personal wealth..including selling all of their land and giving the proceeds to the disciples. Even trying to hold back just a little of their wealth led to the Holy Spirit coming down and drone-spirit bombing Ananias and Saphirra for trying to hold out a little for themselves.
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