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Old April 3rd, 2017, 02:11 PM   #131
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Or, translation. "I'm old, I was to much of a piece of shit to save and prepare for my old age and was such a bastard to my kids they don't want to take me in. Don't take away my government paycheck and healthcare. Cuz I fucked up and my kids hate me"

Your irresponsibility sould not become my burden.


As I thought you cannot make an argument for what society gains by prolonging the human lifespan


So I was right it is "waaaaah I don't want to pay for anything, I should get it for free, because I'm a anarchist, for now, when it's my turn to pay, but I might change my mind later"
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Old April 3rd, 2017, 03:23 PM   #132
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So I was right it is "waaaaah I don't want to pay for anything, I should get it for free, because I'm a anarchist, for now, when it's my turn to pay, but I might change my mind later"
Where did I say I wanted anything for free?

What does society gain from prolonging the lives of the elderly?

As usual you just go off the rails, putting words in people's mouths completely avoiding any statment put to you. But hey, when your "argument" is based of feelings and not logic all you can do is point fingers to distract.

I don't want to talk about fingers and slaves btw n
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Old April 4th, 2017, 09:40 AM   #133
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Why does everyone go for dramatic effect?
We spend a huge amount on premature babies, now a little premature, they need a little extra care..................................
If you have no problem with the cost of health care, then clamor for more heroic measures, if you think we need to spend less or to spend it differently, because at the same time we spend $300,000 to keep a 96 year old man "alive" for an extra two weeks, we have children going untreated.
I want to know how the fuck you got that I want to keep a 96 year old man alive instead of children going untreated from my post!
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Old April 4th, 2017, 09:45 AM   #134
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So in other words fuck off when you are young and have the ability to be productive and expect the next generation to cover your exorbitantly high health care costs when you are no longer productive.


Or stop taxing the people to death when they are young and productive and let them prepair to take care of themselves as they die off.

What does society gain from keeping old people alive longer?
the paragraph I quoted from lays out a brief case on how different groups of people depend on the system at different times of their lives, and why an expensive medical system should be a shared responsibility for all...including selfish libertarians who have no interest in helping anyone else!
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Old April 4th, 2017, 10:05 AM   #135
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As part of her training as a dietitian, Mrs. RNG had to study outcomes for extremely premature babies. The results are often, aside from high expenses a very compromised quality of life.

If it was my baby, in that emotional state of course I would want everything done to keep it alive. But a more rational view would be, what kind of life would I be enforcing on my child?
When I started participating in forum discussions about 10 years ago, the mostly conservative and therefore "prolife" forum I was on got hit with a real life ethics dilemma presented by a college student: a religious Catholic mother who was insisting that her anencephalic baby be given every medical procedure available to keep it alive while she prayed for a miracle to make her baby normal and healthy. Anencephaly is a terminal birth defect, where among the debilitations, the baby is born without a formed cortex level of the brain, and can never be fully conscious, develop normally, or even survive more than a few months in intensive care. As I recall of this particular case, the baby couldn't breathe without a respirator, and the hospital wanted to remove the child from the respirator, which would have brought death immediately. I would have sided with the hospital, and unless the mother and her family could cover all of the essential costs, it should not be up to them to use these resources for a frivolous quest to keep a brain-damaged baby alive a few months or weeks longer.

So, all things being equal, I'd say that the older you get/the less invasive medical procedures should be done to keep you alive. I recall an at the time recently retired director of medicine at a major university making..what was considered a shocking declaration: major operations for any need shouldn't be done after age 75. And since he was 74 at the time, and in good health for his age, he publicly declared that he was applying that directive in his situation, and would not undergo operations or expensive treatments for heart disease, cancer etc. after his 75th birthday.

I wish I could find a followup on his story...I didn't even keep track of the name, but it sounded like a good, sensible idea! On a personal level, after suffering what were originally believed to be stroke symptoms, my father was diagnosed with an abdominal aneurysm while in hospital. An operation was quickly done to fix the leak, and he was healthy enough to pick up and resume life pretty much as before. A couple of years later, he was diagnosed with another aneurysm located even deeper within the abdomen..requiring a more invasive and therefore more risky operation that would more than likely leave him in a more weakened permanent state. He shocked the doctors by refusing the operation...even though they gave him six months to live and told him that the aneurysm could burst at any time without warning. And so, he continued on enjoying retirement for almost another four years, until at age- 86, it happened and he died within an hour while out walking his dog in the neighborhood.

Most people don't get that stark a choice between continuing on as presently able or choosing to live a few years longer at a reduced quality of life. I know which choice I'll make if the time comes!
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