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Old March 30th, 2017, 09:06 AM   #21
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As everybody except right-wing Americans knows, the NHS is hugely more efficient than the American private system, which costs twice as much, and, if the Tories would spend the normal proportion of GDP on it, it would give us no serious problems at all. It must be odd, living in a closed private universe based on greed, selfishness and spite.
Yep, here we are....
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Old March 30th, 2017, 09:10 AM   #22
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Honestly, it's preposterous to say Medicare for all won't work when every other advanced nation has a Medicare analog that seems to be working and for less cost.

The primary problems with Medicare for all are the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies, greed, selfishness, and spite.
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As soon as we get Europe and Canada to agree to pay for the defense of the United States, assume the role of chief aid provider to the world, and we eliminate all military bases outside of the United States. We can then talk about nationalizing health care.
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Yes, single-payer 'works', like the DMV, or the Post Office. Or VA care for all.

I notice no one commented on the article I linked to.

So a libertarian (LOL - not) is willing to turn health care over to the government, even after seeing the mess government made with Øbamacare. You cannot be a libertarian and be for single-payer.


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I notice no one commented on the article I linked to.
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Your article undercuts itself, making you look like the fool you are.
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So Health Care that is better than US Health Care and costs half as much is "poor quality at high cost".

What does that make US health care?
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this article actually makes the point that there are nations with fully nationalised health care that is more effective and more efficient than americas system.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 03:54 PM   #26
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As soon as we get Europe and Canada to agree to pay for the defense of the United States, assume the role of chief aid provider to the world, and we eliminate all military bases outside of the United States. We can then talk about nationalizing health care.
We are going to have National Health Care, because we can't afford the mess we have now.
Markets don't work very well in health care.
It's one of the things the government can do much better than the private sector.
Health Care that works, costs more every year, and the better it works, the more it goes up. Because patients don't die, they live to become patients again.

The part of health care that has to go is the cost of insurance, the underwriting costs, the sales costs, the marketing costs, the administrative costs. Thats a pretty hefty share of medical costs, and pharma profits, and sales and marketing is another hefty share, and all of that doesn't provide a bed, or even an aspirin.
That's what National Health cuts out, which is how it provides the same level of care for half the cost.
Single payer doesn't cut out as much, but it still provides hefty savings.
The government pays for over half the health care in the US now.
The savings of going to national health would be roughly equal to all the private insurance premiums being paid now.

In the end conservative nonsense will lose, because we just can't afford it.
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Fuel taxes are some of the most logical taxes.

The option is to pay for road maintenance with deficit spending.
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There will be no savings by nationalizing healthcare and the advancement of medicine in the US will be the first to take a hit.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 04:07 PM   #29
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As soon as we get Europe and Canada to agree to pay for the defense of the United States, assume the role of chief aid provider to the world, and we eliminate all military bases outside of the United States. We can then talk about nationalizing health care.
You mean, we can start talking about it, like, never?

You left out Japan and Australia, among other nations. And if you stop and think about it, our defense needs would be far less if we stopped provoking conflicts across the globe.
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There will be no savings by nationalizing healthcare and the advancement of medicine in the US will be the first to take a hit.
By advancement, do you mean the $3 million procedures that never can have a universal application?
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