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Old March 31st, 2017, 02:01 PM   #81
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Probably because it is germane to the proposed plans of nationalizing healthcare.

It is evidence of the gulf between the US and other countries regarding medical innovations.
You have not established that a gulf exists.
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And why doesn't magic of the market work in the US system? Insurance extortionists should not have a right to shake down sick and dying people for all of their money and assets! And, they're so scared shitless of having to compete with a Medicare buyin option, they threatened Obama and enough Democrats in Congress who are on the take, to make them drop that "competition" back in 08, remember?

*and if by some miracle, you get a Medicare-For-All plan down there, they need to deal directly with the drug companies and end that overcharging bullshit the drug companies have been allowed to get away with!
Yes, yesterday I paid $77 for a prescription that would have cost about $15 in Canada.

While I concur 100 percent with you on your characterization of insurance companies, some blame must be laid at the feet of medical practitioners who will order incredibly expensive procedures to lengthen the lives of people mere months, months that are devoid of any quality of life.

One more anecdotal story, my pulmonologist retired. Dammit, wise doctors are rarities, doctors who employ "intuition" as one of their diagnostic tools. His replacement is strictly by the book, ordering every imaginable test. I did something more patients should do: I rejected some of his orders.
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Maybe we should use income tax, or sales tax, or property tax. How many fucking taxes do we need?
User taxes make sense.
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Old March 31st, 2017, 02:20 PM   #84
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If your stock is performing that poorly, sell it. If you are not allowed a vote, sell the stock.


AND.....as usual you missed the point and the boat. You seriously need a nanny, Jimmy.
My stocks are doing beautifully--up up up.....but no one lets me boss them around. Vote or no vote. The boards do what THEY want. NOT WHAT I want.
AND I have sold stock that I wasn't happy with....but thanks for nothing.
Now, go ahead and tell me about the constitution, the founders, the amendments and all things irrelevant.
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Old March 31st, 2017, 02:35 PM   #85
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Yes, yesterday I paid $77 for a prescription that would have cost about $15 in Canada.

While I concur 100 percent with you on your characterization of insurance companies, some blame must be laid at the feet of medical practitioners who will order incredibly expensive procedures to lengthen the lives of people mere months, months that are devoid of any quality of life.

One more anecdotal story, my pulmonologist retired. Dammit, wise doctors are rarities, doctors who employ "intuition" as one of their diagnostic tools. His replacement is strictly by the book, ordering every imaginable test. I did something more patients should do: I rejected some of his orders.
About 6 years ago I saw a documentary on PBS which sort of covered that. What particularly hit me was a young ER doctor who went on a mini-rant about a case he had just had where a 90+ yo man came in suffering his 3rd heart attack in the last year. The odds of him making it was some insignificant fraction of essentially nothing but when asked, the family, whose insurance was maxed out insisted that all possible steps be used to keep him alive.

The doctor explained that all those machines and processes were very expensive and that the odds of them doing any good were essentially zero and he gently suggested that they reconsider the directive.

Well they dressed him down, threatened to report him to the medical regulators and sue the hospital.

So he was forced to personally put them into bankruptcy.

How could he have handled this situation?
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Yes, yesterday I paid $77 for a prescription that would have cost about $15 in Canada.
I got upset last week, I went to pay for a prescription which should have cost me 8.40 but I was told I no longer have to pay because I was 60 last August.

I've never been so gutted over saving money

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About 6 years ago I saw a documentary on PBS which sort of covered that. What particularly hit me was a young ER doctor who went on a mini-rant about a case he had just had where a 90+ yo man came in suffering his 3rd heart attack in the last year. The odds of him making it was some insignificant fraction of essentially nothing but when asked, the family, whose insurance was maxed out insisted that all possible steps be used to keep him alive.

The doctor explained that all those machines and processes were very expensive and that the odds of them doing any good were essentially zero and he gently suggested that they reconsider the directive.

Well they dressed him down, threatened to report him to the medical regulators and sue the hospital.

So he was forced to personally put them into bankruptcy.

How could he have handled this situation?
I don't know. In a more ideal situation, he would have refused "treatment," and the regulators would have supported his decision.

In an even more ideal world, the relatives would not have made the request.

The fact is: The inmates have been empowered to run the insane asylum.
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I got upset last week, I went to pay for a prescription which should have cost me 8.40 but I was told I no longer have to pay because I was 60 last August.

I've never been so gutted at saving money

That sounds tough Michael.

Here's hoping you pull through it all....
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That sounds tough Michael.

Here's hoping you pull through it all....
It's quite annoying, I'm officially old, and I've not even had my mid-life crisis yet.
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It's quite annoying, I'm officially old, and I've not even had my mid-life crisis yet.
Hang in there. You will.
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