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The Founders did not require private companies to pay for medical care. The Supreme Court is not the Constitution. Anytime you want to provide the clause in the Constitution that supports Obamacare, post it. If that is the way the Constitution works, then point out that clause also. | |
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2. Want to bring back the restrictions and rules The Founders set up before allowing a business to incorporate? Quote:
3.Show in the Constitution where the document mentions God, or that the drafted constitution should be considered divinely inspired by God and unalterable in the future? Besides severely restricting the formation and continued operation of private corporations, the Constitution does not outlaw or even address the growing slavery issue at the time of federation, nor does it allow the formation of a full time, professional army! So how "original" are you originalists anyway? | |||
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And if you want confirmation, ask him again. | |
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I wonder how much of the lack of movement in dealing with healthcare costs in America comes from developing a culture that is in denial of death...let alone aging! There are reasons why libertarians grow out of their stupid narcissistic philosophy by middle age, and why even the majority of Republicans want a real national healthcare plan...when you get older, it become harder to deny the obvious! And that's why healthcare should be a shared cost for a civil society..and is in most of the world..even third world nations that have limited resources. Quote:
High tech should never have been given automatic accreditation as "clean technology" and been subject to full environmental scrutiny instead. According to geochemist-Ugo Bardi, each "smart" phone requires the extraction and processing of about half a ton of earth to get the materials to make that stupid cell phone! But, since the environmental costs of extraction impact the poorest people in the world (same with extraction in northern China), it's out of sight/out of mind for the typical high tech yuppie living in the west! | ||
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| I can tell without asking, what talkradio shows he listens to during the day! Their pseudohistorical sources like David Barton try to argue that the FF's were all God-fearing men who wrote a divinely inspired document for an "exceptional" nation. Without that, there is no foundation to support originalism- the notion that modern judges, politicians and citizens need to get inside the heads of the founders/instead of using legal precedent or trying to figure out what would work best in today's world.
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Check it out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...mortality_rate It depends what you use, the point is there are a couple of dozen countries at least with lower infant mortality than the US, and what they all have in common is some form of universal health care. They all pay less, they all have better outcomes. Quote:
Slice it anyway you want, the Federal Government was involved in health care, while the founders were still alive, and one of the founders signed health care legislation, and not one of them said "boo, where's that in the constitution". Quote:
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Funny how that happens again and again. | |
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The US is the only country that uses the full WHO definition of live birth and other countries eliminate several of the criteria. Switzerland uses only two of the four criteria. Italy uses only three of four criteria, etc. This allows other countries to use weight, gestation period, and length to classify a baby as not being born alive, and the US counts all as a live births. Other countries do not count premature births as live births if they die afterwards. The U.S. counts them as live births. The U.S. does more for premature infants than most countries, which also skews the numbers when they do not survive. When factoring in all the criteria, the US has one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. The data regarding Infant mortality rates in the US compared to the rest of the world come from the CDC, and the CDC gets their information from the OECD and the United States Children’s Fund. The data is brutally skewered and misleading. There is no standard or continuity regarding the registration of babies born too early, too light, and too short in the other countries. There is no standard or continuity regarding the registration, or preventing selective registration of preterm infants who survived in other countries. There is no standard or continuity regarding the systematic under-registration of infants who did not survive in other countries. There is little to no data from the cultures that do not attempt to save prematurely born infants with birth defects. The US always does its best to save any baby born regardless of its condition, and those that do not survive are added to the misleading statistic used by the OECD. When infants born before 24 weeks are subtracted from the CDC report, the mortality rate decreases by 30%. This accurate data puts the US equal or lower than any other developed country. Many countries do not consider an infant that dies at birth weighing less than 500 grams as a live birth. The US considers an infant that weighs less than 500 grams and dies at birth a live birth. Eighty percent of these births in other countries do not survive and are not counted, but are counted in the US. Many countries classify a baby as stillborn or as a miscarriage if it survives less than 24 hours regardless if it is breathing and has a beating heart. The US classifies these infants as live born. Forty percent of all infant deaths happen within twenty-four hours. If a child in Hong Kong or Japan is born alive but dies within the first 24 hours of birth, he or she is reported as a miscarriage and does not affect the country's reported infant mortality rates. In Switzerland and other parts of Europe, a baby born who is less than 30 centimeters long is not counted as a live birth. The U.S. counts these infants as live births. Quote:
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I have never stated that the Constitution mentions God. I have only stated that most of it has a Biblical basis. Do you mean like Franklin’s prayer during the Philadelphia Convention asking for God’s help? Or Alexander Hamilton statement “For my own part, I sincerely esteem it the Constitution a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests.” Or James Wilson, who signed both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and was one of the most active speakers of the convention having spoken 168 times. He was also a Supreme Court justice from 1789-1798. He was also the first law professor at University of Pennsylvania: Of law there are different kinds. All, however, may be arranged in two different classes. 1. Divine. 2. Human laws. The descriptive epithets employed denote, that the former have God, the latter, man, for their author.Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Quote:
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