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Old May 8th, 2017, 11:06 AM   #101
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Here is the question I have posed on this thread.

Why is it good for society to take resorces from the young and productive and give them to the old an dying?

That is it.
Because that is how human society has always to a greater or lesser degree operated, that is why it is so successful.
The young and productive allow some of their resources to go to the old and dying because one day they and their loved ones will be the old and dying.

Even in the hunter-gather Neanderthal society scientists have found clear evidence that the tribes looked after their old and lame after they stopped being capable of hunting.
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Old May 8th, 2017, 11:22 AM   #102
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Because that is how human society has always to a greater or lesser degree operated, that is why it is so successful.
The young and productive allow some of their resources to go to the old and dying because one day they and their loved ones will be the old and dying.

Even in the hunter-gather Neanderthal society scientists have found clear evidence that the tribes looked after their old and lame after they stopped being capable of hunting.
Pretty well all East Asian cultures (what we used to call Oriental, I still don't know what is un-PC about that) revere their elders.

The elders were honored in N. American indigenous cultures.

And even in the European culture until the industrial revolution when that started slowing with the move from rural to urban life.
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Yes, under the current conditions. But, it could be done if the left would be willing to give up their love of government power and control and the right would finally accept single payer is the best solution. What I mean is, that we would have to allow free market with prescription pills in the same manner we do with food. If i can eat food from another nation, I should be able to take a pill from that nation as well.
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Pretty well all East Asian cultures (what we used to call Oriental, I still don't know what is un-PC about that) revere their elders.

The elders were honored in N. American indigenous cultures.

And even in the European culture until the industrial revolution when that started slowing with the move from rural to urban life.
Well, that settles it. Sab favors returning to a pre-Neanderthal state of civilization.
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Old May 8th, 2017, 06:12 PM   #105
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Because that is how human society has always to a greater or lesser degree operated, that is why it is so successful.
The young and productive allow some of their resources to go to the old and dying because one day they and their loved ones will be the old and dying.

Even in the hunter-gather Neanderthal society scientists have found clear evidence that the tribes looked after their old and lame after they stopped being capable of hunting.
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Pretty well all East Asian cultures (what we used to call Oriental, I still don't know what is un-PC about that) revere their elders.

The elders were honored in N. American indigenous cultures.

And even in the European culture until the industrial revolution when that started slowing with the move from rural to urban life.

Yes. The thing was it was not compulsory.

Families took care of their own and some expanded that care further out into the communities. People, families and communities did this by choice. These choices created loyalties, strong families and generational wealth. All generations gain from these acts.



Your response does not answer the question.
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I did just that. I was not aware of any changes to this
https://www.fda.gov/aboutfda/transpa.../ucm194904.htm
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The differences in the Medicare/Medicaid and ACA plans is actually cost controls. The Gov simply tells the Dr's what they will pay and says take it or leave it. That would very difficult to do on a Macro Scale.
I agree it would be difficult. But sometimes difficult things need to be done.

One of the reasons it would be difficult is that self-proclaimed opponents of "socialized" medicine fight against such moves while refusing to recognize the problems in the system. For some, there is a blind, almost religious in nature approach whereby "capitalism" is assumed to FIX all ills, while "socialism" is assumed to destroy everything.

We need to get serious about real solutions instead of dogmatically sticking to things that have failed and put us in this situation in the first place.

Exhibit #1.
How to Charge $546 for Six Liters of Saltwater
This is profoundly messed up and if somebody has a better idea on how to fix it, I'm all ears.

This is one of the many reasons why (for some countries and situations) it's cheaper to fly to another country, have the medical procedure performed there, and then fly back.

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Well, that settles it. Sab favors returning to a pre-Neanderthal state of civilization.
Simply amazing how completely clueless some people are.
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Serious question. Why are we trying to expand the human lifespan?

We just hit 7.5 billion humans world wide.

We need to but the average lifespan for humans back down to 75. I go to the volunteer at the geriatric war you have no idea how many old people are just abandoned. The human body begins rapidly deteriorating around that age. They are just sucking up resorces.

This is a major flaw of socialized medicine.
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Surely death camps would save even more for the ultra-rich?
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