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Old May 9th, 2017, 08:10 AM   #11
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When the GOP owns it can they get the same pass and excuses that the progs got via media, prog citizenship and government?

Another whistle pass the graveyard moment and lets be patient, a couple of Obama EO's delaying signed law?

Can the Republicans be sloppy on the roll out/cost of said care as the progs did?

Is it that you now have a different standard because your team is not in charge?

This is a Bloomberg article from 2014. Is Bloomberg a hotbed of conservatives?

Did we save the 9 Billion as promised by Allbright in 2014?

So when and if the Bill passes and is signed into law could we please compare apples to apples and not this partisan crap?

Can you even find Mrs Clara the total cost of rollout/sustainment to date so far for Mr Obama's and the Elected Progs ACA bill?

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September 24, 2014, 3:17 PM MDT

The federal government’s Obamacare enrollment system has cost about $2.1 billion so far, according to a Bloomberg Government analysis of contracts related to the project.

Spending for healthcare.gov and related programs, including at the Internal Revenue Service and other federal agencies, exceeds cost estimates provided by the Obama administration, the analysis found. The government’s most recent estimate, limited to spending on computer systems by the agency that runs the site, through February, is $834 million.

Healthcare.gov and its associated programs are the main portal for millions of Americans to sign up for coverage under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act known as Obamacare. Spending for the system has been a matter of dispute between the administration and Republican opponents in Congress, who have tried to block funding for the law.

“The way in which Obamacare has been rolled out has been very messy,” with spending scattered across dozens of contracts, many of them predating the law and amended afterward, said Peter Gosselin, a senior health-care analyst at BGov and lead author of study. “One of the reasons it has been implemented in the way it has been, financially, is precisely to deny opponents of the law a clear target.”

Contractor Infighting

The construction of healthcare.gov involved 60 companies, supervised by employees of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services instead of a lead contractor, according to the inspector general at the Health and Human Services Department. The project was marked by infighting among the contractors, CMS officials and top officials at HHS, the Cabinet-level department that oversees CMS, according to e-mails released Sept. 17 by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

Aaron Albright, a spokesman for CMS, disputed BGov’s calculation, which included parts of the federal health insurance system other than its computer elements.

“The GAO, HHS’s Inspector General and the department all measured the cost of marketplace-related IT contracts for healthcare.gov,” Albright said in an e-mail. “But this report measures different things, and not surprisingly, produces a different number.”

Consumer Savings

Albright added that the Affordable Care Act had saved consumers about $9 billion in health-care costs so far.

“CMS takes its responsibility for spending taxpayer dollars seriously,” he said. “That’s why we’ve moved aggressively to implement extensive contracting reforms, bringing in new leadership to oversee marketplace operations, hiring a systems integrator, and ending our largest contract with CGI and moving to a new type of contract with Accenture that rewards performance.”

Earlier this year, CMS fired the original contractor for healthcare.gov, CGI Group Inc. of Montreal, and hired Accenture Plc for the project. A UnitedHealth Group Inc. executive, Andy Slavitt, who had managed repairs of the site, was hired as the principal deputy administrator at CMS. Kevin Counihan, the former chief executive officer of Connecticut’s successful state-run insurance exchange, was hired Aug. 26 to manage healthcare.gov.

Watching Costs

The Medicare agency and independent auditors have had trouble tracking the costs of Affordable Care Act programs. The Government Accountability Office, a congressional agency, said in a Sept. 22 report that it was “difficult and time consuming” to obtain financial information for the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight, the CMS office that manages many ACA programs, and that it “could not determine the reliability of most of the amounts” CMS provided.

Albright said CMS has created a task force to track costs of the insurance exchange and “strategically manage” its future acquisitions.

Healthcare.gov opened on Oct. 1 last year and promptly collapsed, preventing millions of Americans from enrolling in coverage until December, after a frantic repair effort. By April, about 8 million people had initially signed up for private health plans using healthcare.gov or state-run systems, according to the federal government.

About 7.3 million people were enrolled in private coverage obtained under the Affordable Care Act as of Aug. 15, the CMS administrator, Marilyn Tavenner, said last week.

Other Costs

The BGov analysis is based on contract data compiled by the Washington-based organization, which is a division of Bloomberg LP separate from Bloomberg News. BGov’s price tag includes several large costs left out of the Obama administration’s estimate: $387 million in spending for healthcare.gov by the IRS and other agencies outside the health department; a $300 million contract to process paper applications; and spending by CMS after Feb. 28.

Senator Lamar Alexander, a Tennessee Republican who has scrutinized the Obama administration’s construction of healthcare.gov as the senior Republican on the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, said the cost of the site exceeded the combined value of his state’s three professional sports teams.

Despite the spending, the site “still isn’t secure, doesn’t let people easily compare doctors and medications covered by each plan, and has not processed all of the applications from last year’s open enrollment,” he said in an e-mail from a spokeswoman.

Insurance Subsidies

While spending for healthcare.gov has exceeded official estimates, the Affordable Care Act is coming under budget in at least one area: subsidies to help Americans buy insurance.

The BGov analysis estimates the government will spend $14.9 billion through the end of September to reduce premiums for people purchasing Obamacare plans. The administration predicted it would spend more than twice as much: $36.7 billion.

The discrepancy may be an indication of problems healthcare.gov has experienced communicating with computer systems at health insurance companies, Gosselin said. The subsidies are paid directly to insurers, and there may be a lag for the transfers because healthcare.gov’s back-end connections to insurers aren’t complete.

“Round one, the crisis was in the front-end of the system,” Gosselin said. “Round two, it’s going to be in the back office.”
Please, what point are you making with three-year old news?
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Old May 9th, 2017, 08:11 AM   #12
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When the GOP owns it can they get the same pass and excuses that the progs got via media, prog citizenship and government?
Examples?
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Gee, thanks Obama Care, this is just fantastic.


105%.
That’s how much the average individual market premium has grown from 2013 – it’s more than doubled.
Tell the Senate you can’t afford an extra $2,928 a year!
All this is from a new analysis that the Department of Health and Human Services this week examining the costs of Obamacare. The top takeaways, to quote HHS, include:
• “Average individual market premiums more than doubled from $2,784 per year in 2013 to $5,712 on Healthcare.gov in 2017 – an increase of $2,928 or 105%.
• All 39 states using Healthcare.gov experienced an increase in individual market premiums from 2013 – 2017.
• 62% of states using Healthcare.gov had 2017 premiums double what was measured in 2013.
• Three states – Alaska, Alabama, and Oklahoma – saw premiums triple from 2013-2017.”
Want to see what happened in your state? Check out the increases in the 39 states using healthcare.gov (as high as 201%!).
Obamacare isn’t working. It’s costing us more for fewer choices and options.
Tell the Senate to take up action and fix this Obamacare mess with real solutions that cut government taxes and mandates.

Let your Senators know that Americans are expecting a commitment advancing a health care system that serves the American people, not government bureaucrats.


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Gee, thanks Obama Care, this is just fantastic.


105%.
That’s how much the average individual market premium has grown from 2013 – it’s more than doubled.
Tell the Senate you can’t afford an extra $2,928 a year!
All this is from a new analysis that the Department of Health and Human Services this week examining the costs of Obamacare. The top takeaways, to quote HHS, include:
• “Average individual market premiums more than doubled from $2,784 per year in 2013 to $5,712 on Healthcare.gov in 2017 – an increase of $2,928 or 105%.
• All 39 states using Healthcare.gov experienced an increase in individual market premiums from 2013 – 2017.
• 62% of states using Healthcare.gov had 2017 premiums double what was measured in 2013.
• Three states – Alaska, Alabama, and Oklahoma – saw premiums triple from 2013-2017.”
Want to see what happened in your state? Check out the increases in the 39 states using healthcare.gov (as high as 201%!).
Obamacare isn’t working. It’s costing us more for fewer choices and options.
Tell the Senate to take up action and fix this Obamacare mess with real solutions that cut government taxes and mandates.

Let your Senators know that Americans are expecting a commitment advancing a health care system that serves the American people, not government bureaucrats.


Rob Engstrom
SVP and National Political Director
U.S. Chamber of Commerce
Duh, premiums go up.
But since Obamacare became law we have experienced to smallest growth in health care costs since health care costs were measured.

Guess what, if there was a plan that covered more people, with better coverage and cost less, every Democrat would vote for it.
That's what Trump promised, that's what Lyin' Ryan promised.
What they delivered was a huge tax cut made possible by leaving 23 million Americans without access to health care....

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Old May 29th, 2017, 07:46 AM   #15
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Hold your horses, peeps. DJ is tweeting again and you KNOW how that goes. Here's the new news:

President Donald Trump had concerned Americans scratching their heads Sunday night after he tweeted that he now wants to pour more money into health care.

“I suggest that we add more dollars to Healthcare and make it the best anywhere,” he wrote.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hold-phon...070429956.html
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Hold your horses, peeps. DJ is tweeting again and you KNOW how that goes. Here's the new news:

President Donald Trump had concerned Americans scratching their heads Sunday night after he tweeted that he now wants to pour more money into health care.

“I suggest that we add more dollars to Healthcare and make it the best anywhere,” he wrote.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hold-phon...070429956.html
Hmmm. It's almost as if healthcare is complicated.
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Hmmm. It's almost as if healthcare is complicated.
It was Mark Shields I think who recently said:
George Washington couldn't tell a lie.

Richard Nixon couldn't tell the truth.

Donald Trump can't tell the difference.
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Hmmm. It's almost as if healthcare is complicated.


YES and.....it's possible that budgets are complicated too. But I'm sure Donny does all his own accounting (He's a genius, you know. Just ask his cult.)---probably zipped off that 2018 budget in 15 minutes....or less.
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It was Mark Shields I think who recently said:
George Washington couldn't tell a lie.

Richard Nixon couldn't tell the truth.

Donald Trump can't tell the difference.


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He's a smart man with a deep understanding of what stupid people want."

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