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Old May 27th, 2017, 09:02 AM   #1
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Healthcare is a Right?

If healthcare is a fundamental human right then you are extorting labor from another person at the point of a gun.

You are choosing one of the smartest kids you went to schoool with, telling them they will have to study for another dozen years, go two hundred thousand dollars in debt, and serve you for whatever the government decides is compensation.

I think we have a constitutional amendment against this.
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Old May 27th, 2017, 09:05 AM   #2
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Healthcare does not make a right. I know that Obamacare is still named as "the law of the land." If the GOP makes a new healthcare plan called "Trumpcare," then it will make billions and billions of insured Americans go uninsured. This is morally wrong.

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Old May 27th, 2017, 09:13 AM   #3
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Healthcare does make a right. I know that Obamacare is still named as "the law of the land." If the GOP makes a new healthcare plan called "Trumpcare," then it will make billions and billions of insured Americans go uninsured. This is morally wrong.

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You cannot have a Right at the expense of another person, that is morally wrong.
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Old May 27th, 2017, 09:15 AM   #4
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If healthcare is a fundamental human right then you are extorting labor from another person at the point of a gun.

You are choosing one of the smartest kids you went to schoool with, telling them the will have to study for another dozen years, go two hundred thousand dollars in debt, and serve you for whatever the government decides is compensation.

I think we have a constitutional amendment against this.
The part of your post that I bolded are either wrong, or could easily be fixed.

The part not bolded is just factually wrong.
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Old May 27th, 2017, 09:18 AM   #5
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If healthcare is a fundamental human right then you are extorting labor from another person at the point of a gun.

You are choosing one of the smartest kids you went to schoool with, telling them the will have to study for another dozen years, go two hundred thousand dollars in debt, and serve you for whatever the government decides is compensation.

I think we have a constitutional amendment against this.
Yes, it's a right.

As are Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

You want to set up an illegitimate banking system like corporate for profit insurance companies, which is not a right, and the government insures a profit, which is unconstitutional, then you will make sure every citizen is covered under that system.

The Constitution guarantees a Republican form of government.

It DOES NOT guarantee a capitalist economy.

It damn sure doesn't guarantee a crony capitalist economy.
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If healthcare is a fundamental human right then you are extorting labor from another person at the point of a gun.

You are choosing one of the smartest kids you went to schoool with, telling them the will have to study for another dozen years, go two hundred thousand dollars in debt, and serve you for whatever the government decides is compensation.

I think we have a constitutional amendment against this.


We've been over and over this point. It boils down to this: Republicans don't really want healthcare for everyone. They never have. The only reason they are 'pretending' to want healthcare NOW is because NOW we offer healthcare (ACA) for everyone and they don't want to be perceived as completely soulless.
Never forget that the guiding GOP philosophy is: You're on your own. WHY? Because according to them/you, government programs smack of socialism.

If we are indeed a Christian nation, founded on Christian values and doctrine, then WHY would we not take care of our own people?
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The part of your post that I bolded are either wrong, or could easily be fixed.

The part not bolded is just factually wrong.
If you declare healthcare a Right, how do you guarantee delivery without involuntary servitude?
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Old May 27th, 2017, 11:18 AM   #8
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We've been over and over this point. It boils down to this: Republicans don't really want healthcare for everyone. They never have. The only reason they are 'pretending' to want healthcare NOW is because NOW we offer healthcare (ACA) for everyone and they don't want to be perceived as completely soulless.
Never forget that the guiding GOP philosophy is: You're on your own. WHY? Because according to them/you, government programs smack of socialism.

If we are indeed a Christian nation, founded on Christian values and doctrine, then WHY would we not take care of our own people?
Christianity requires voluntary adherents to be charible. Charity, not theft is a Christian value.
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Old May 27th, 2017, 11:20 AM   #9
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Yes, it's a right.

As are Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

You want to set up an illegitimate banking system like corporate for profit insurance companies, which is not a right, and the government insures a profit, which is unconstitutional, then you will make sure every citizen is covered under that system.

The Constitution guarantees a Republican form of government.

It DOES NOT guarantee a capitalist economy.

It damn sure doesn't guarantee a crony capitalist economy.
Crony capitalism describes Obamacare exactly.
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Old May 27th, 2017, 12:03 PM   #10
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If you declare healthcare a Right, how do you guarantee delivery without involuntary servitude?
Come look at the Canadian or the UK or the Australian or the Scandinavian systems. Nary a gun or a ball and chain being used.

What an incredibly stupid premise.
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