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Old July 2nd, 2017, 08:43 AM   #41
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Any time you have a projection of expenses, you're not dealing with hard numbers. Do you think people can predict to the dollar how much a road is going to cost in 2020? No. You make an educated estimate of how much the roads will suck up, and then you designate that amount. Same with healthcare. You make an educated estimate of how much money is needed and then designate that amount

Now I need you to define "oblivion." China, Germany, France, Spain, and Portugal are still on my atlas. How have they gone into oblivion?
World powers that faded. China is on the rise again for now, but they'll follow the usual course.
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Old July 2nd, 2017, 09:01 AM   #42
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Soooo....cutting food stamps reduces poverty? Cutting Medicare reduces poverty? AND cutting healthcare reduces poverty??

Well, that's a new wrinkle. Do you have anything to back up that statement? Data? Statistics? Examples? Sources?

Please.....enlighten us.
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Old July 2nd, 2017, 10:30 AM   #43
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World powers that faded. China is on the rise again for now, but they'll follow the usual course.
A diminishing of "world power" is not quite the same as your hyperbolic use of the word "oblivion." Also, the countries that spent themselves out of power were usually the ones which overly spent on the military to get themselves into world power. Then, when they were no longer able to spend that much on the military, their world power faded. Spending on social programs would not have been the prime factor for their diminishing power.
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A diminishing of "world power" is not quite the same as your hyperbolic use of the word "oblivion." Also, the countries that spent themselves out of power were usually the ones which overly spent on the military to get themselves into world power. Then, when they were no longer able to spend that much on the military, their world power faded. Spending on social programs would not have been the prime factor for their diminishing power.
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Old July 2nd, 2017, 01:08 PM   #45
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Where is the empathy from the Right? On anything? No empathy for the poor--for the disabled--for those with pre-conditions--for the homeless--for the victims of gun violence??
This is the same lie I called you out on a couple of hours ago....Do you actually believe this nonsense??..... It is offensive...Of course the right is concerned about the disabled, the elderly, those with pre-conditions, the homeless, and what ever other group you are wringing your hands over.....

What the right understands is that, except for national security, the Government can do very little efficiently....They generally create more victims or make things harder for the disadvantaged than they help...

What is wrong with shit-canning the whole ACA and going back to the preceding system and forcing the insurance companies to compete?? ....Were people dying in the streets then??....Noooooo....then why would that happen igf we went back??....Hyperbole and hysterics that is all you people know....
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In 1996, Congress reduced welfare benefits, which were instrumental in stimulating the economy. This forced 500,000 workers into the workforce, increased their spending power, and cut the spending outlays of the government for welfare while increasing tax revenues from their incomes.

The welfare act of 1996 and the tax credits dropped the child poverty rate from 29% to 18% by the year 2000 and it had dropped to 17% by 2009, and jumped to 19% by 2012 under Obama.

The employment rate for single mothers increased by 15% by 1999 after welfare reform in 1996.
And don't forget, because Newt and the Contract with America, forced this on Bill (and the blue dress) Clinton, the left loves to co-op this fact and claim that Clinton had such a great economy.....which meant that his stupid wife was owed the Presidency...
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Please explain which social programs caused Spain to lose it's status as a world power? From my reading, it was a bunch of money being spent on wars and losses in those wars which caused a diminishment in their power.
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This is the same lie I called you out on a couple of hours ago....Do you actually believe this nonsense??..... It is offensive...Of course the right is concerned about the disabled, the elderly, those with pre-conditions, the homeless, and what ever other group you are wringing your hands over.....

What the right understands is that, except for national security, the Government can do very little efficiently....They generally create more victims or make things harder for the disadvantaged than they help...

What is wrong with shit-canning the whole ACA and going back to the preceding system and forcing the insurance companies to compete?? ....Were people dying in the streets then??....Noooooo....then why would that happen igf we went back??....Hyperbole and hysterics that is all you people know....


Okay, MR. ICALLEDYOUONTHISANHOURAGO. Where is your data on uninsured deaths? Where are the stats? Let's see it.
You sound like Rand Paul--the blow hard--and BTW, no one in Washington listens to anything he's got to say and I meant to be offensive--so there, Mr. Sassy Pants.
Now, listen up. The government hasn't taken over health care. In fact, that was Politifact's LIE of the Year--2010. The law relies on a free market. Employers still provide healthcare to most Americans. People can get private healthcare through the exchanges. The Feds are not controlling hospitals OR doctors. Credits are given to people who can't afford the plans AND again--those plans are obtained by the FREE market/private companies.

AND....getting back to the G.O.V. WE have federal regulations for all sorts of things and I don't hear you bellyachin' about those.
The Federal Aviation Administration imposes detailed rules on airlines. State laws require drivers to have car insurance. Regulators tell electric utilities what they can charge. Yet that heavy regulation is not described as a government takeover.

So put a sock in it, unless you can PROVE that people weren't dying in the streets before Obamacare, because I've seen stats that prove otherwise.
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And don't forget, because Newt and the Contract with America, forced this on Bill (and the blue dress) Clinton, the left loves to co-op this fact and claim that Clinton had such a great economy.....which meant that his stupid wife was owed the Presidency...
The economy was healthy under slick. Though the MIC was not siphoning off billions of dollars to for scams like funding a false war of handing it over to their banker friends. Also there was the tech boom.
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Okay, MR. ICALLEDYOUONTHISANHOURAGO. Where is your data on uninsured deaths? Where are the stats? Let's see it.
You sound like Rand Paul--the blow hard--and BTW, no one in Washington listens to anything he's got to say and I meant to be offensive--so there, Mr. Sassy Pants.
Now, listen up. The government hasn't taken over health care. In fact, that was Politifact's LIE of the Year--2010. The law relies on a free market. Employers still provide healthcare to most Americans. People can get private healthcare through the exchanges. The Feds are not controlling hospitals OR doctors. Credits are given to people who can't afford the plans AND again--those plans are obtained by the FREE market/private companies.

AND....getting back to the G.O.V. WE have federal regulations for all sorts of things and I don't hear you bellyachin' about those.
The Federal Aviation Administration imposes detailed rules on airlines. State laws require drivers to have car insurance. Regulators tell electric utilities what they can charge. Yet that heavy regulation is not described as a government takeover.

So put a sock in it, unless you can PROVE that people weren't dying in the streets before Obamacare, because I've seen stats that prove otherwise.

That is seriously funny.
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