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Old July 16th, 2017, 12:14 PM   #111
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Drunken by two beer ?? I am drunken by seven or fifthteen beer or one bottle.
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Old July 16th, 2017, 01:13 PM   #112
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Then you are almost certainly an alcoholic.
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Old July 16th, 2017, 04:22 PM   #113
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Is the number of children being treated for gender dysphoria increasing at a high rate?
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its increasing yes, at a rate that varies depending on where and how the data is gathered. whether its a "high" rate or not is a value judgement.

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Is sex reassignment surgery and treatment costs over 4 billion dollars a year in Thailand alone?
according to one article, that didnt mention if this was direct or indirect spending, and its about adults.

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Are some prepubescent children being given puberty blockers as part of gender dysphoria treatment?
yes. that should stop. its bad practice. wait until they are at least 18.

oh, wait, most doctors already do that, there are a minority who practice outside the lines.
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Old July 16th, 2017, 05:33 PM   #114
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its increasing yes, at a rate that varies depending on where and how the data is gathered. whether its a "high" rate or not is a value judgement.



according to one article, that didnt mention if this was direct or indirect spending, and its about adults.


yes. that should stop. its bad practice. wait until they are at least 18.

oh, wait, most doctors already do that, there are a minority who practice outside the lines.
Why is it even allowed? Most of everything you read is negative about its application. Yet, its use is increasing. What data can you find showing the exact number? All the data I find shows its on the rise but lacks specifics.
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Data on the use of puberty blockers is scarce, but in the past decade or so, it’s believed thousands of transgender youth and their families have chosen to suppress puberty to give adolescents a time-out while they figure out the next step in their development.
https://ww2.kqed.org/futureofyou/201...erty-blockers/
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Old July 16th, 2017, 09:05 PM   #115
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Why is it even allowed? Most of everything you read is negative about its application. Yet, its use is increasing. What data can you find showing the exact number? All the data I find shows its on the rise but lacks specifics.
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https://ww2.kqed.org/futureofyou/201...erty-blockers/
when it comes to medical treatments, the default position is to leave it to doctors to know what to do. thats whats been done. then, only if doctors are not doing the right thing, do legislators step in and make some rules. in australia its not legal to prescribe them. why isnt more research being done so that we do know what drugs to use and when? probably because there isnt any money in it for a drug company and its too fine print/ small potatoes for an academic.
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Old July 17th, 2017, 09:29 AM   #116
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when it comes to medical treatments, the default position is to leave it to doctors to know what to do. thats whats been done. then, only if doctors are not doing the right thing, do legislators step in and make some rules. in australia its not legal to prescribe them. why isnt more research being done so that we do know what drugs to use and when? probably because there isnt any money in it for a drug company and its too fine print/ small potatoes for an academic.
I slightly disagree. I think its being done because the drug companies are pushing it in spite of the research. They are channeling the left to agree with them.
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Old July 17th, 2017, 04:03 PM   #118
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I slightly disagree. I think its being done because the drug companies are pushing it in spite of the research. They are channeling the left to agree with them.
you dont understand the drug industry. drug companies push drugs that they can sell to millions of people. there arent millions of transgendered people. its a very small market. now you might look at the figures and argue if there are 100,000 people taking a puberty blocker that costs $500 per shot, 4 shots a year, thats $200 million a year. surely a drug company is interested. nope. there are drugs for diabetes that cost $5 a day and are sold to 100 million people around the world. thats $180 billion a year. thats the kind of money the drug companies are after. the trans community arent in their sights.
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you dont understand the drug industry. drug companies push drugs that they can sell to millions of people. there arent millions of transgendered people. its a very small market. now you might look at the figures and argue if there are 100,000 people taking a puberty blocker that costs $500 per shot, 4 shots a year, thats $200 million a year. surely a drug company is interested. nope. there are drugs for diabetes that cost $5 a day and are sold to 100 million people around the world. thats $180 billion a year. thats the kind of money the drug companies are after. the trans community arent in their sights.
Sounds like a poor business model to leave any profit on the table
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Sounds like a poor business model to leave any profit on the table
to develop a new drug from scratch, to take it from concept to the pharmacy shelf, costs more than $100 billion. it will be licensed to be used (and therefore your HMO will pay for it) only for specific conditions. it can be prescribed off label for someone without that condition, but the HMO wont pay, so the patient will have to cover the full cost.

to take an existing drug and show that it is beneficial for new conditions, that is to expand the list of conditions where your HMO has to pay for it, that takes 2 randomised placebo controlled double blind trials. such trials cost tens of millions of dollars and take years and often dont give you the result you want, so you need to do lots of them.

best case scenario: so, for a drug company to take this on, to get puberty blockers already developed to be allowed to be given to transgender teens, would have to do trial after trial until you have 2 that satisfy the FDA. this would take years and cost hundreds of millions of dollars. then you need to sell your drugs and hope you recoup the losses. and if your only earning $200 million a year, its not worth it.
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