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Old July 8th, 2017, 09:45 PM   #41
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"Transgender" is the new "gender."
i think its tonga where there is a "third gender" which is basically men who dress and act like women. its been part of the culture for centuries.
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Men's is a gender, of course.
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i think its tonga where there is a "third gender" which is basically men who dress and act like women. its been part of the culture for centuries.
many native American nations, as well
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How much some of you may hate to hear this, transgenderism is a mental illness. You are the sex you are and it is impossible to change this. Science cannot change one's chromosomes. Science and doctors cannot recreate interior body parts either.

I saw something online several years ago about this little girl who was battling an illness or something, overcame said illness and told her parents when she was about five years old that she is a boy, and the parents accepted this and even encouraged it, to the point where the whole family were going to LGBT pride festivals and meetings or whatever else they were doing.

Made me think, when your girl who thinks she is a boy develops breasts and has a monthly cycle, then what? Are you going to take her to a doctor to begin all these procedures? A hysterectomy for a 13 year old girl? Hormone therapy? This is really getting into Frankenstein here, and most everyone now is applauding this madness like drunken seals. It is again a psychological disorder.

For myself, I am not a Christian or even religious, so this isn't coming from any moral standpoint and really a rational one. The brain is part of the body, the same as any other organ of the body which has a function, and parts of the body has malfunctions. Anyone who wants to be a member of the opposite sex has a brain problem.

However, when you tell the truth about this, the LGBT mafia goes nuts and violent, and will discredit you for being against their insane agendas. These people have so much power. The poor bastard who refused to make a homosexual male couple a wedding cake has been ruined by legal fees and now him and his family are having death threats hurled against them. Or another branch of the LGBT mafia who trolls businesses with Christian overtones to ruin like the other bakery in Oregon. The LGBT mafia are the most intolerate people who ever lived. LGBT is more intolerant and violent than the Ku Klux Klan with a lot more government power. And any mental health professional who might want to help people with gender identity issues will be hunted down, and believe me, there will be a day shortly where anyone who speaks against them will be imprisoned.
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How much some of you may hate to hear this, transgenderism is a mental illness. You are the sex you are and it is impossible to change this. Science cannot change one's chromosomes. Science and doctors cannot recreate interior body parts either.

I saw something online several years ago about this little girl who was battling an illness or something, overcame said illness and told her parents when she was about five years old that she is a boy, and the parents accepted this and even encouraged it, to the point where the whole family were going to LGBT pride festivals and meetings or whatever else they were doing.

Made me think, when your girl who thinks she is a boy develops breasts and has a monthly cycle, then what? Are you going to take her to a doctor to begin all these procedures? A hysterectomy for a 13 year old girl? Hormone therapy? This is really getting into Frankenstein here, and most everyone now is applauding this madness like drunken seals. It is again a psychological disorder.

For myself, I am not a Christian or even religious, so this isn't coming from any moral standpoint and really a rational one. The brain is part of the body, the same as any other organ of the body which has a function, and parts of the body has malfunctions. Anyone who wants to be a member of the opposite sex has a brain problem.

However, when you tell the truth about this, the LGBT mafia goes nuts and violent, and will discredit you for being against their insane agendas. These people have so much power. The poor bastard who refused to make a homosexual male couple a wedding cake has been ruined by legal fees and now him and his family are having death threats hurled against them. Or another branch of the LGBT mafia who trolls businesses with Christian overtones to ruin like the other bakery in Oregon. The LGBT mafia are the most intolerate people who ever lived. LGBT is more intolerant and violent than the Ku Klux Klan with a lot more government power. And any mental health professional who might want to help people with gender identity issues will be hunted down, and believe me, there will be a day shortly where anyone who speaks against them will be imprisoned.
this is all true, 99.9% of the time. but nature never gets it right 100% of the time. never. when nature is doing something as complicated as following the DNA blueprint, 3 billion letters long, to build an insanely complicated biological organism, it doesnt always get it right. there are times when it doesnt go to plan.

an instructive example is children with ambiguous genitalia. when the parents ask "are they a boy or a girl?" and the doctor says ".....er....um....." the answer is yes, they are either a boy or a girl, but you cannot tell from looking at their genitals. the genitals are so deformed and misshaped its just impossible to know. and no, you cannot just 'test the chromosomes', XX=girl, XY=boy. because these are instances where it hasnt gone to plan, the chromosomes dont neccessarily match up. and you cannot just do a scan and look for a uterus and uterus=girl, no uterus=boy, because these are instances where things have not developed properly and there are lots of deformities.

so how do we sort it out. what we used to do is assign a gender. maybe be guided by the chromosomes, maybe just depending on what kind of genitals would be easier to make this time. surgeons would use what was there and build either female or male genitals. the thinking was the child would be raised as that gender and everything would be fine. this didnt work, many of those kids were assigned the "wrong" gender.

what do we do today? we wait. we advise the parents use a name that can go both ways, like Jo, Alex, Ashley, etc, and wait. and when the children are remarkably young, usually 2-3, they will tell you what gender they are. because that information is hard wired into their brains in utero.
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How much some of you may hate to hear this, transgenderism is a mental illness. You are the sex you are and it is impossible to change this. Science cannot change one's chromosomes. Science and doctors cannot recreate interior body parts either.

I saw something online several years ago about this little girl who was battling an illness or something, overcame said illness and told her parents when she was about five years old that she is a boy, and the parents accepted this and even encouraged it, to the point where the whole family were going to LGBT pride festivals and meetings or whatever else they were doing.

Made me think, when your girl who thinks she is a boy develops breasts and has a monthly cycle, then what? Are you going to take her to a doctor to begin all these procedures? A hysterectomy for a 13 year old girl? Hormone therapy? This is really getting into Frankenstein here, and most everyone now is applauding this madness like drunken seals. It is again a psychological disorder.

For myself, I am not a Christian or even religious, so this isn't coming from any moral standpoint and really a rational one. The brain is part of the body, the same as any other organ of the body which has a function, and parts of the body has malfunctions. Anyone who wants to be a member of the opposite sex has a brain problem.

However, when you tell the truth about this, the LGBT mafia goes nuts and violent, and will discredit you for being against their insane agendas. These people have so much power. The poor bastard who refused to make a homosexual male couple a wedding cake has been ruined by legal fees and now him and his family are having death threats hurled against them. Or another branch of the LGBT mafia who trolls businesses with Christian overtones to ruin like the other bakery in Oregon. The LGBT mafia are the most intolerate people who ever lived. LGBT is more intolerant and violent than the Ku Klux Klan with a lot more government power. And any mental health professional who might want to help people with gender identity issues will be hunted down, and believe me, there will be a day shortly where anyone who speaks against them will be imprisoned.
you are certainly right that it is an issue that is being overmedicalised, driven by activists with agendas who dont care who gets hurt along the way. i see parallels with the massive overdiagnosis of ADHD and the insane prescription of amphetamines to kids on the grounds that they are, well, acting like kids. if we started parenting better maybe our kids would start behaving better. and if we instilled decent values and morals maybe they would accept a degree of adolescent angst and just deal with it like we did.

but,

you are falling for the trap, that just because there is a lot of stupid behaviours doesnt mean there isnt a real problem hidden in there somewhere. there really are some kids with actual, real ADHD, and they do really well when given appropriate doses of amphetamines. it really is real. its as rare as rocking horse poo, but it does sometimes happen. same can be said about trans people.
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How much some of you may hate to hear this, transgenderism is a mental illness. You are the sex you are and it is impossible to change this. Science cannot change one's chromosomes. Science and doctors cannot recreate interior body parts either.

I saw something online several years ago about this little girl who was battling an illness or something, overcame said illness and told her parents when she was about five years old that she is a boy, and the parents accepted this and even encouraged it, to the point where the whole family were going to LGBT pride festivals and meetings or whatever else they were doing.

Made me think, when your girl who thinks she is a boy develops breasts and has a monthly cycle, then what? Are you going to take her to a doctor to begin all these procedures? A hysterectomy for a 13 year old girl? Hormone therapy? This is really getting into Frankenstein here, and most everyone now is applauding this madness like drunken seals. It is again a psychological disorder.

For myself, I am not a Christian or even religious, so this isn't coming from any moral standpoint and really a rational one. The brain is part of the body, the same as any other organ of the body which has a function, and parts of the body has malfunctions. Anyone who wants to be a member of the opposite sex has a brain problem.

However, when you tell the truth about this, the LGBT mafia goes nuts and violent, and will discredit you for being against their insane agendas. These people have so much power. The poor bastard who refused to make a homosexual male couple a wedding cake has been ruined by legal fees and now him and his family are having death threats hurled against them. Or another branch of the LGBT mafia who trolls businesses with Christian overtones to ruin like the other bakery in Oregon. The LGBT mafia are the most intolerate people who ever lived. LGBT is more intolerant and violent than the Ku Klux Klan with a lot more government power. And any mental health professional who might want to help people with gender identity issues will be hunted down, and believe me, there will be a day shortly where anyone who speaks against them will be imprisoned.
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this is all true, 99.9% of the time. but nature never gets it right 100% of the time. never. when nature is doing something as complicated as following the DNA blueprint, 3 billion letters long, to build an insanely complicated biological organism, it doesnt always get it right. there are times when it doesnt go to plan.

an instructive example is children with ambiguous genitalia. when the parents ask "are they a boy or a girl?" and the doctor says ".....er....um....." the answer is yes, they are either a boy or a girl, but you cannot tell from looking at their genitals. the genitals are so deformed and misshaped its just impossible to know. and no, you cannot just 'test the chromosomes', XX=girl, XY=boy. because these are instances where it hasnt gone to plan, the chromosomes dont neccessarily match up. and you cannot just do a scan and look for a uterus and uterus=girl, no uterus=boy, because these are instances where things have not developed properly and there are lots of deformities.

so how do we sort it out. what we used to do is assign a gender. maybe be guided by the chromosomes, maybe just depending on what kind of genitals would be easier to make this time. surgeons would use what was there and build either female or male genitals. the thinking was the child would be raised as that gender and everything would be fine. this didnt work, many of those kids were assigned the "wrong" gender.

what do we do today? we wait. we advise the parents use a name that can go both ways, like Jo, Alex, Ashley, etc, and wait. and when the children are remarkably young, usually 2-3, they will tell you what gender they are. because that information is hard wired into their brains in utero.
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you are certainly right that it is an issue that is being overmedicalised, driven by activists with agendas who dont care who gets hurt along the way. i see parallels with the massive overdiagnosis of ADHD and the insane prescription of amphetamines to kids on the grounds that they are, well, acting like kids. if we started parenting better maybe our kids would start behaving better. and if we instilled decent values and morals maybe they would accept a degree of adolescent angst and just deal with it like we did.

but,

you are falling for the trap, that just because there is a lot of stupid behaviours doesnt mean there isnt a real problem hidden in there somewhere. there really are some kids with actual, real ADHD, and they do really well when given appropriate doses of amphetamines. it really is real. its as rare as rocking horse poo, but it does sometimes happen. same can be said about trans people.
The Sudden Surge of Transgender Teens
Transgender Teens -- Parents Cry ?Foul? as Doctors and Educators Ignore Them | National Review
Transgender kids: ?Exploding? number of children, parents seek clinical help ? The Mercury News
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-n...shire-35532491

Its being fueled by political correctness. Mothers wanting daughters (usually). Its the new social thing. Boogie woogie is absolutely correct in his post. One of the best and most honest posts I have ever read on here. Big Pharma is loving it. Between puberty blockers and hormone pills they are going to make some serious cash. The medical community is loving it because finaly the United States can have a new market of plastic surgery. Its all about the money and the politics. The children? Well fuck them if we get it wrong. Just start reading how many times you run into the phrase "we dont know" or "we are just now seeing the affects of". Experimenting on children in the name of politics and money. Congrats
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yeah. they're making a fortune. there are SO SO MANY transgendered kids out there.

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yeah. they're making a fortune. there are SO SO MANY transgendered kids out there.

Yeah, actually they are.
How Much It Costs to Be Transgender in America | Teen Vogue
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Stupid link didn't give any information about the numbers of transgendered kids - so basically it's worthless.

So it's $1,500 month for their meds. I know people (not very many, but a few) who spend that much at the salon every month. They go every week for facials, massages, manicures, pedicures, hair touch ups, stylings, waxings amounting $3-400 week. So if somebody wants to spend that on hormones, why is it any of your business (or the magazine's?)

And if you're going to post a link, make it pertinent to the discussion; don't waste our time.
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