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Old July 25th, 2017, 12:15 PM   #1
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GOP has the Yes Votes

John McCain entered the Senate chamber with enthusiastic applause and spurred enough yes votes to advance the healthcare repeal. VP Pence cast the tie-breaking vote.

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Old July 25th, 2017, 12:36 PM   #2
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John McCain entered the Senate chamber with enthusiastic applause and spurred enough yes votes to advance the healthcare repeal. VP Pence cast the tie-breaking vote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/u...5A8BC2&gwt=pay

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Hopefully, this will be the wake up call apathetic voters, and Obama cross over voters that voted for Trump, will show up next year to show McCain and as many House and Senate Republicans to the door as possible, and shut down the Trump, McConnell, Ryan agenda.

The Democrats made a strategic move with their vote to do just that.
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Old July 25th, 2017, 01:06 PM   #3
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Doesn't this just mean that the bill will be debated? Does it not still have to pass after the debate?
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Old July 25th, 2017, 02:38 PM   #4
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John McCain entered the Senate chamber with enthusiastic applause and spurred enough yes votes to advance the healthcare repeal. VP Pence cast the tie-breaking vote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/u...5A8BC2&gwt=pay

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Now what??
20-hours of debate.
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Doesn't this just mean that the bill will be debated? Does it not still have to pass after the debate?
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Old July 25th, 2017, 03:06 PM   #6
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Doesn't this just mean that the bill will be debated? Does it not still have to pass after the debate?


Even McCain cautioned he is only voting to allow debate, saying he is opposed to the current GOP health care bill. The famed “maverick” from Arizona was far from celebratory in his remarks immediately after the vote, warning that both Republicans and Democrats must put their differences aside and work together again.

“Our deliberations today … are more partisan, more tribal than anytime I can remember,” McCain said.
Protesters temporarily disrupted the proceedings minutes before the vote.

Shouting “Kill the bill” and “shame,” the demonstrators stood in the visitors’ gallery and chanted. They were led out of the chamber by police but could still be heard.

The vote got underway on moving head on health care with the goal of erasing much of former President Barack Obama’s signature law. The Senate chamber was packed, with lawmakers standing to cast their votes.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell urged his colleagues to move ahead on health care legislation with the goal of erasing much of the Obama health law.

McConnell told senators seated in the Senate chamber: “We cannot let this moment slip by.” He made the remarks ahead of a make-or-break vote to take up the bill. The Kentucky Republican said many GOP senators waited for years for the opportunity to scuttle the 2010 law.

Democratic leader Chuck Schumer urged lawmakers to reject it, saying, “Turn back now before it’s too late.”

A vote to move ahead would set up days of debate and votes. Republicans have promised for seven years to repeal and replace the law.

As McConnell set up the vote, protests erupted, chanting, “Kill the bill.”

Senate opens health care debate with squeaker of vote | Chicago Sun-Times
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Here are my questions. Why would anyone believe the GOP's promises? What indications have the GOP displayed that THEY CAN govern?

Broken promises are as old as politics itself, and there are many famous examples of them in modern history. President George H.W. Bush's "read my lips, no new taxes" pledge comes immediately to mind, as does President Bill Clinton reneging on his middle-class tax cut, and President Barack Obama never closing Guantanamo Bay. But in each of those cases, those were promises that were made in a given campaign by a given politician. The promise of Obamacare repeal is much different.
Republicans ran on repealing and replacing Obamacare for seven years, over the course of four election cycles. They won the House majority in 2010 in large part because of the backlash against the passage of Obamacare — and the vow to "repeal and replace" Obamacare was part of their "Pledge to America" campaign document that year. The botched rollout of Obamacare helped them win the Senate in 2014. House candidates, Senate candidates, gubernatorial candidates, and even state legislative candidates ran against Obamacare — and won.
Republicans were always moving the goal posts on voters. That is, during campaign season, they made boasts about repeal, and then once in office, they talked about procedural complications. In 2010, they campaigned on repeal, but by 2011, they said they needed the Senate. In 2014, they won the Senate, but by 2015 they said as long as Obama was in office, nothing would become law. In 2016, they told conservative voters, even reluctant ones, that if they voted for Trump despite any reservations, they'd finally be able to repeal Obamacare. In November, voters gave them unified control of Washington. And yet after just two months on the job, they threw in the towel and said they're willing to abandon seven years of promises.
But now they want to debate....what exactly?
AND what does Trump say? He called the Democrats obstructionists. Chuck Schumer said AGAIN today "we want to work with you". MCCain said "Let's work together." McCain's speech was filled with what we used to hear from the old guard---and then this: “We're getting nothing done, my friends. We're getting nothing done." “We've been spinning our wheels on too many important issues because we keep trying to find a way to win without help from across the aisle.” “Whether or not we are of the same party, we are not the president's subordinates. We are his equal."

So back to my original question. Why should anyone believe the GOP? They have shown absolutely no leadership--no governing--no moral high ground--no concern for their constituents....and now they want to debate. After seven years of promises. After seven years of lying about their better plan. After seven years of infighting and lying to each other. We're supposed to believe them when one of their oldest, most respected leaders says "We're getting nothing done."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...speech/534891/

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Old July 28th, 2017, 04:17 AM   #8
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That's All Folks....

The GOP has succeeded in doing something the Democrats were unable to do in 7 years, they made ObamaCare POPULAR!
By demonstrating that there is no palatable conservative alternative.

And now they don't have all that money from cutting health care to use for big tax cuts, the next big GOP agenda item, "Tax Reform", will be another hot mess of fighting over which Republican sponsor gets the little piece of cheese that's left...
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It's universal healthcare since the votes 2014 allemans people.

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Old July 28th, 2017, 08:55 AM   #10
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So, the Skinny Repeal has failed. "The Senate in the early hours of Friday morning rejected a new, scaled-down Republican plan to repeal parts of the Affordable Care Act, derailing the Republicans’ seven-year campaign to dismantle President Barack Obama’s signature health care law and dealing a huge political setback to President Trump.

Senator John McCain of Arizona, who just this week returned to the Senate after receiving a diagnosis of brain cancer, cast the decisive vote to defeat the proposal, joining two other Republicans, Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, in opposing it.

The 49-to-51 vote was also a humiliating setback for the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who has nurtured his reputation as a master tactician and spent the last three months trying to devise a repeal bill that could win support from members of his caucus."

Conventional wisdom would reflect there were 49 GOP Senators who approved of the bill, but several within the Republican Party indicated that some who voted "YES" are relieved the bill didn't pass. WHAT?? Why in the world would these cowards vote yes, when they really, truly didn't support the bill? AND THIS is the problem with partisan legislation and party before people. The bill would have increased the number of people who are uninsured by 15 million next year compared with current law, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. Premiums for people buying insurance on their own would have increased roughly 20 percent, the budget office said.

AND Mitch McConnell??? Mr. McConnell said he was proud of his vote to start unwinding the Affordable Care Act. “What we tried to accomplish for the American people was the right thing for the country,” Mr. McConnell said. “And our only regret tonight, our only regret, is that we didn’t achieve what we had hoped to accomplish.” Astounding considering the consequences for the people in HIS STATE.

Then there's Paul Ryan who swayed a few Senators who were still sitting on the fence with this: Ryan left open the possibility that if a compromise measure had failed in the Senate, the House could still pass the stripped-down Senate health bill. That helped push Mr. McCain to “no.”
AND...Republican senators found themselves in the strange position of hoping their bill would never be approved by the House. Ryan had convinced some, like Graham to vote yes with that argument. In other words, JUST VOTE YES to repeal and THEN we'll worry about it??
Some Republicans called this bill "ugly to the bone" but voted YES...? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/u...volt.html?_r=0

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3 Republicans and 48 Democrats let the American people down. As I said from the beginning, let ObamaCare implode, then deal. Watch!

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If Republicans are going to pass great future legislation in the Senate, they must immediately go to a 51 vote majority, not senseless 60...

HUH??? Does the man have dementia?? The Senate HAD the 51 majority vote.
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