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Old October 31st, 2017, 02:39 PM   #21
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But it would be socialist.

They'd sooner be sick and poor and give their money to rich politicians, health company executives and such.
Oh quit whining!
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Old October 31st, 2017, 04:39 PM   #22
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my thread..... "Unleashing the truth."
sorry but when i got to this part i started laughing so hard i couldnt read any further.
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Old November 1st, 2017, 03:10 PM   #23
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sorry but when i got to this part i started laughing so hard i couldnt read any further.
Well read it. Your laughter should die down quickly enough.
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Old November 1st, 2017, 05:27 PM   #24
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Our present system does cost more.. you get what you pay for.

If you get a disease your odds of survival is GREATER in the US.

(when you exclude accidental death killed at the scene of a Car Accident and incedents were people are killed instantly at the scene of the crime, these do not even enter the Healthcare system) the US has the longest life expectancy in the world.


We pay more and we live longer, and we are more likely to be cured of a life threatening disease.

Which would you rather have LESS MONEY or be DEAD?






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Can you explain why when you eliminate fatal injuries, the US lifespan goes up, but the average lifespan in other countries goes down?
Is it that Americans die from fatal injuries at an early age, but the majority of Swiss fatal injuries happen to people in their 80's?

Or someone just making shit up?

And do you think it's worth paying twice as much your whole life to live an extra two months, if you don't get shot?

You show the US with a prostate cancer survival rate of over 90% and Italy with prostate cancer survival rate of 60%, yet every year 14.8 out of 100,000 American men die from Prostate Cancer, where only 11.5 out of 100,000 Italian men die from prostate cancer.
For half the money.....

And one of the things that boosts the US survival rate is treating Stage Zero cancer, cancer that hasn't actually shown up yet, yet some surgeons are willing to operate (it's called the profit motive). Very high survival rate, removing healthy breasts from healthy women.

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Old November 1st, 2017, 07:16 PM   #25
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Can you explain why when you eliminate fatal injuries, the US lifespan goes up, but the average lifespan in other countries goes down?
Is it that Americans die from fatal injuries at an early age, but the majority of Swiss fatal injuries happen to people in their 80's?

Or someone just making shit up?

And do you think it's worth paying twice as much your whole life to live an extra two months, if you don't get shot?

You show the US with a prostate cancer survival rate of over 90% and Italy with prostate cancer survival rate of 60%, yet every year 14.8 out of 100,000 American men die from Prostate Cancer, where only 11.5 out of 100,000 Italian men die from prostate cancer.
For half the money.....

And one of the things that boosts the US survival rate is treating Stage Zero cancer, cancer that hasn't actually shown up yet, yet some surgeons are willing to operate (it's called the profit motive). Very high survival rate, removing healthy breasts from healthy women.
Because that tells me that the deaths in the other countries due to the inefficient Healthcare systems. That is why

you see I loved to rock Climb, I loved to Hike, (in fact I have completed 2/3rds of the AT. I hunt fish shoot, all of these take risks.

many countries have banned risky hobbies sports and other activities.

So why did their life span go down. People in those countries people dying in accidents are of more advanced age.

Remember the number one cause of death for An African American male 18-34 are other African American males. We also have a very violent society.

So it is not our healthcare system it is our lifestyles.
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Because that tells me that there are DEATHS due to the other countries Healthcare systems. That is why

you see I loved to rock Climb, I loved to Hike, (in fact I have completed 2/3rds of the AT. I hunt fish shoot, all of these take risks.

many countries have banned risky hobbies sports and other activities.

So why did their life span go down. People in those countries people dying in accidents are of more advanced age.

Remember the number one cause of death for An African American male 18-34 are other African American males. We also have a very violent society.

So it is not our healthcare system it is our lifestyles.
What stands out is that there really isn't a big difference in outcomes.

But there is a huge difference in cost.
So why should we pay so much more, for really about the same care?
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What stands out is that there really isn't a big difference in outcomes.

But there is a huge difference in cost.
So why should we pay so much more, for really about the same care?
You want the best you might want to pay for it.

a 6% difference in Survival for prostate Cancer between Canada and US.. isn't a big deal unless you are one of the 6 out of the 100 that would have died under the NHS of Canada.


10,000 people are murdered in the US. only 300 out of the 10,000 are murdered by a Rifle (all types) so lets say 1/2 are by "Assault rifles"

you go ape shit and want to ban Assault rifes over 1.5% of murders

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You want the best you might want to pay for it.

a 6% difference in Survival for prostate Cancer between Canada and US.. isn't a big deal unless you are one of the 6 out of the 100 that would have died under the NHS of Canada.


10,000 people are murdered in the US. only 300 out of the 10,000 are murdered by a Rifle (all types) so lets say 1/2 are by "Assault rifles"

you go ape shit and want to ban Assault rifes over 1.5% of murders
You seem to have avoided post #13 completely. You aren't going to get very far by avoiding things.
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Which would you rather have LESS MONEY or be DEAD?






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Manny from west World.
The statistics are fine.
The thing are Healthcare.

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