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Old November 27th, 2017, 04:38 AM   #31
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To get a proper Health Service you have to learn the guts to take on the profiteers who live by death, and stop pretending to believe silly liars.
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Old November 27th, 2017, 05:09 AM   #32
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Yet your present system costs you nearly twice as much as countries with Universal health care.
I’m sure you have some capable people who will be able to work out a system of funding that doesn’t increase the debt, and there are many ways they could achieve this either through private or government controlled schemes
Yes and you get what you pay for ]

If you get Cancer you are more likely to be cured in the US than in Canada Japan, UK or any other nation

that is why 10s of 1000s of people travel to the US for treaments. I work at a Medical center in Nashville, 1000s of Canadians come here to receive their Cancer Treatments, and they stay and have a vacation with the extended stay. that is why Canadians sued the government for the right to purchase US style healthcare insurance because the Canadian NHS was putting them into Queues and they were dying waiting for care.

(excluding accidental deaths) The US has the longest life expectancy of any nation.

So We pay more but we live longer and are more likely to see a cure.

Where the US could improve is in prevention, IMO.

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Old November 27th, 2017, 05:22 AM   #33
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To get a proper Health Service you have to learn the guts to take on the profiteers who live by death, and stop pretending to believe silly liars.
And that's the TRUTH.
The difference in cost between the US healthcare system and other healthcare systems is the monopoly profits in the US system.
The money that provides nothing in the way of healthcare, but enriches the gatekeepers.

It represents a clear example of the utter failure of the "free market system" to provide for a basic need.
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Old November 27th, 2017, 05:56 AM   #34
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that is why 10s of 1000s of people travel to the US for treaments. I work at a Medical center in Nashville, 1000s of Canadians come here to receive their Cancer Treatments, and they stay and have a vacation with the extended stay. that is why Canadians sued the government for the right to purchase US style healthcare insurance because the Canadian NHS was putting them into Queues and they were dying waiting for care.
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Old November 27th, 2017, 06:04 AM   #35
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Who do you believe a Canadian Politician that is dependent on the increasing tax dollars from the Canadian people or and independent investigation into the Flight south of Canadians for Healthcare so they will not suffer and die waiting for care.


Lets see what the Canadian Supreme Court had to say on the matter

Top court strikes down Quebec private health-care ban - Canada - CBC News

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The Supreme Court of Canada ruled Thursday that the Quebec government cannot prevent people from paying for private insurance for health-care procedures covered under medicare.
In a 4-3 decision, the panel of seven justices said banning private insurance for a list of services ranging from MRI tests to cataract surgery was unconstitutional under the Quebec Charter of Rights, given that the public system has failed to guarantee patients access to those services in a timely way.
As a result of delays in receiving tests and surgeries, patients have suffered and even died in some cases, justices Beverley McLachlin, Jack Major, Michel Bastarache and Marie Deschamps found for the majority
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Who do you believe a Canadian Politician that is dependent on the increasing tax dollars from the Canadian people or and independent investigation into the Flight south of Canadians for Healthcare so they will not suffer and die waiting for care.


Lets see what the Canadian Supreme Court had to say on the matter

Top court strikes down Quebec private health-care ban - Canada - CBC News



Nuff said


Universal care does not mean quality care. And that is the case in Canada, England, and elsewhere.
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Old November 27th, 2017, 02:02 PM   #37
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Fool. In the areas of guns and healthcare, too many people in the US do not just ignore facts, but ridicule them as well.

Nice try though.
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Old November 27th, 2017, 02:14 PM   #38
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Who do you believe a Canadian Politician that is dependent on the increasing tax dollars from the Canadian people or and independent investigation into the Flight south of Canadians for Healthcare so they will not suffer and die waiting for care.


Lets see what the Canadian Supreme Court had to say on the matter

Top court strikes down Quebec private health-care ban - Canada - CBC News



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Again your ignorance shows. This applied only in Quebec and they have always been different.

This was in 2005, twelve years ago.

It only related to three procedures.

Jeez, TNV, this is another one that I have debunked twice before and you keep posting your favorite lies. Again and again.

You'd better go pray really hard or you are going to be shoveling coal into that never satisfied inferno for eternity right beside me.

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No one wants Quebec's limited private health insurance

More than two years after Quebec legalized private medical coverage for select surgeries, the insurance industry says it has not sold a single policy.

Bill 33 was supposed to allow Quebecers to seek private insurance for faster knee and hip replacements, and cataract surgery.

Yves Millette, senior vice-president of the Canadian Life and Health Insurers' Association, said no one is buying the policies because they are too expensive.

Millette said there is no market for insurance that covers only three procedures.
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'We have such a good access to the surgeries in Quebec that the industry knows they won't be able to sell any insurance to anybody.'
—Yves Bolduc, Quebec's health minister
No one wants Quebec's limited private health insurance - Montreal - CBC News
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Again your ignorance shows. This applied only in Quebec and they have always been different.

This was in 2005, twelve years ago.

It only related to three procedures.

Jeez, TNV, this is another one that I have debunked twice before and you keep posting your favorite lies. Again and again.

You'd better go pray really hard or you are going to be shoveling coal into that never satisfied inferno for eternity right beside me.


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No one wants Quebec's limited private health insurance - Montreal - CBC News

Yes, but Canadians STILL buy Private insurance because the NHS is still DELAYING CARE...



10s of 1000s do so across the US.

Why to a few hundred Canadians come to clinics like TN Oncology for Treatment for their Cancer, every year using said private insurance plans.
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Old November 27th, 2017, 02:22 PM   #40
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Can you explain why when you eliminate fatal injuries, the US lifespan goes up, but the average lifespan in other countries goes down?
Is it that Americans die from fatal injuries at an early age, but the majority of Swiss fatal injuries happen to people in their 80's?

Or someone just making shit up?

And do you think it's worth paying twice as much your whole life to live an extra two months, if you don't get shot?

You show the US with a prostate cancer survival rate of over 90% and Italy with prostate cancer survival rate of 60%, yet every year 14.8 out of 100,000 American men die from Prostate Cancer, where only 11.5 out of 100,000 Italian men die from prostate cancer.
For half the money.....

And one of the things that boosts the US survival rate is treating Stage Zero cancer, cancer that hasn't actually shown up yet, yet some surgeons are willing to operate (it's called the profit motive). Very high survival rate, removing healthy breasts from healthy women.
Yes, US Citizens live risky life styles, that cause fatal injuries.

While other Governments limit what their citizens can and cannot do. In many countries if you are caught Driving Stoned or Drunk, you lose your license FOR LIFE and the punishments for such risky behavior you pay a very heavy penalty.
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