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Old November 27th, 2017, 01:35 PM   #41
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Yes, but Canadians STILL buy Private insurance because the NHS is still DELAYING CARE...



10s of 1000s do so across the US.

Why to a few hundred Canadians come to clinics like TN Oncology for Treatment for their Cancer, every year using said private insurance plans.
So you can't read. The fact is people are not buying it.

And I'm not denying that some Canadians leave for cancer treatments in other places. But if they are doing it on an insurance plan, it is an insurance plan they bought outside the country. I do doubt your tens of thousands claim.

If in fact some come to the clinic you speak of, it's because they offer some experimental, unproven treatment that hasn't shown any promise but your for profit clinics are still more than willing to fleece the gullible for. A good friend of mine paid a Mexican clinic tens of thousands of dollars to treat his wife when the docs here said she was terminal without treatment options.

She died during the treatment but he still had to pay full costs.

Then his son got cancer. This time he flew him to Paris. That was for about $40k. At least the treatment that time didn't kill him, just made no difference other than to the guys retirement plans.

I have had the full gamut of exposure to the Canadian cancer treatment system and it is top notch, first class and in my case very successful.
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Old November 27th, 2017, 02:19 PM   #42
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And that's the TRUTH.
The difference in cost between the US healthcare system and other healthcare systems is the monopoly profits in the US system.
The money that provides nothing in the way of healthcare, but enriches the gatekeepers.

It represents a clear example of the utter failure of the "free market system" to provide for a basic need.
Those monopolies are created by the state who in turn want to give even more control of our health to. Doesn't sound logical to me.

You do understand that our healthcare system has not been anything close to a free market system for some time, right?
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So you can't read. The fact is people are not buying it.

And I'm not denying that some Canadians leave for cancer treatments in other places. But if they are doing it on an insurance plan, it is an insurance plan they bought outside the country. I do doubt your tens of thousands claim.

If in fact some come to the clinic you speak of, it's because they offer some experimental, unproven treatment that hasn't shown any promise but your for profit clinics are still more than willing to fleece the gullible for. A good friend of mine paid a Mexican clinic tens of thousands of dollars to treat his wife when the docs here said she was terminal without treatment options.

She died during the treatment but he still had to pay full costs.

Then his son got cancer. This time he flew him to Paris. That was for about $40k. At least the treatment that time didn't kill him, just made no difference other than to the guys retirement plans.

I have had the full gamut of exposure to the Canadian cancer treatment system and it is top notch, first class and in my case very successful.
The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.Aug 3, 2016
Canadians Increasingly Come to U.S. For Health Care | Best ...
https://www.usnews.com/news/best.../...or-health-care
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The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.Aug 3, 2016
Canadians Increasingly Come to U.S. For Health Care | Best ...
https://www.usnews.com/news/best.../...or-health-care
The Fraser Institute is a right wing think tank backed by the Koch brothers, and, as it admits, the figures it quotes are only estimates.
It also doesn't state what treatments are involved, though they admit plastic surgery is included in the figures.
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The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.Aug 3, 2016
Canadians Increasingly Come to U.S. For Health Care | Best ...
https://www.usnews.com/news/best.../...or-health-care
Does that count the Canadians who live next to Buffalo New York.
The closest city with a hospital to thousands of Canadians, who routinely go there, because it is the closest city with hospital, and that's all fine and dandy.
Campobello Island is Canada, but nearly everyone there was born in the US, because the causeway that leads to the hospital brings them to Maine.

10% of Canadians will visit Florida during the winter, they see doctors there.

There are lots of reasons for a Canadian to see an American doctor that have nothing to do with the relative merits of either system.

And NOBODY sees more foreign doctors than Americans, more Americans seek care outside the US, than foreigners seek care in the US, and the main reason is cost.
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The Fraser Institute is a right wing think tank backed by the Koch brothers, and, as it admits, the figures it quotes are only estimates.
It also doesn't state what treatments are involved, though they admit plastic surgery is included in the figures.
The report also admits that many of the procedures are elective surgeries such as cosmetic plastic surgery and so on which are not and never were covered under our healthcare.

If you want bigger boobs or a smaller nose you have to pay for it yourself.
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Does that count the Canadians who live next to Buffalo New York.
The closest city with a hospital to thousands of Canadians, who routinely go there, because it is the closest city with hospital, and that's all fine and dandy.
Campobello Island is Canada, but nearly everyone there was born in the US, because the causeway that leads to the hospital brings them to Maine.

10% of Canadians will visit Florida during the winter, they see doctors there.

There are lots of reasons for a Canadian to see an American doctor that have nothing to do with the relative merits of either system.

And NOBODY sees more foreign doctors than Americans, more Americans seek care outside the US, than foreigners seek care in the US, and the main reason is cost.
Along those lines, many procedures done in the US are paid for by Canadian healthcare when the cost to transport a patient to a closer US hospital is less than the cost to a further away major Canadian hospital.
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Along those lines, many procedures done in the US are paid for by Canadian healthcare when the cost to transport a patient to a closer US hospital is less than the cost to a further away major Canadian hospital.
Exactly, and if you are on vacation in Florida, and you need to see a doctor, you see a doctor.
Canadians see a doctor an average of 6 times a year, Americans average 3 doctor visits a year, because of the cost.
They get twice as much for half the cost.
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We average 3 visits per year at an average sticker price of $200 for each visit. The actual real cost of each visit is $60 if you have insurance. If you get a prescription those sticker prices are reduced if you multiply the sticker price times 30% which is the real cost.

The mandate did not lower the death stats at all in this country. Are these statistics done by someone in our own country who are motivated by their own political reasons?
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The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.Aug 3, 2016
Canadians Increasingly Come to U.S. For Health Care | Best ...
https://www.usnews.com/news/best.../...or-health-care
And insurance companies here are OUTSOURCING some major but non-emergent surgeries. They will slap you on a plane and fly you to Columbia or India, pay for your hotel and food for however many weeks you need to recover then fly you home. WHY ?? Because they can get the same surgery done for half the costs.

I had a business associate a few years ago. She was from Columbia. It was actually cheaper for her to buy a plane ticket home and get a full medical, dental and eye exam done there FOR FREE than pay the deductibles on having it all done here even though she had insurance. What she described was a very thorough check up. Far beyond the annual physicals we get here.
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