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Old November 6th, 2017, 02:41 PM   #11
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What you say is gibberish. Alcoholism isn't a two edged sword. It is just a bad thing. And if your "two edged sword" thing is supposed to mean that it has two bad effects, it has more than that.
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Our society is the disease. I am the cure.
Yeah. I'm sure.

I strongly suggest you aren't even the placebo.
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And what way would this "disease" manifest itself if they never used any drug. Real end of discussion.
How does Poison ivy manifest itself if you've never been in contact?

I mean even the common cold is caused by a virus.
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Old November 11th, 2017, 04:18 AM   #14
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Drug addiction is a disease.

End of discussion.
No it isn't the "end of discussion". Alcoholism and addiction to drugs is NOT A DISEASE. Addiction is a habit, a hard wired habit. People use substances because it makes them feel good and a sense of "escape". Many people become addicts/alcoholics due to something negative in their lives. This can be trauma, depression, anxiety, OCD, bipolar disorder, or other psychological problems. Addiction is the effect of the real problem, not the problem itself.

A disease is biological in nature. AIDS, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, lymphoma, leukemia are examples of diseases. The definition of a disease...

a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.

As you can see, addiction doesn't qualify as a disease. Behavior is not a disease, it could be an effect of a disease, but not the disease itself. Many times we confuse "disease" with " disorder". Most people who spout this nonsense are "professionals" in "recovery" who learned this nonsense from someone else.

The "disease of addiction", as phony as it is, is not genetic. When I was in treatment, my counselor taught me this, and the rehab will have the patient do a "family chart" of other members with addiction problems. My parents were not alcoholics or drug addicts, however my grandfather was an alcoholic, a man I never met who died when I was a small child, plus some cousins who are alcoholic fuckups. So the rehab said it was genetic, and actually said that the "disease" skips generations. What a load of bullshit. First of all, everyone has addicted family members. I like using the Presidents as an example of this Trump's brother was an alcoholic. Obama's father was an alcoholic. The Bush family has several alcoholics and drug addicts. Reagan's father was a alcoholic. Carter's younger brother Billy, alcoholic. LBJ's brother alcoholic, the Kennedys, goes without saying.

People learn behavior from family, friends and peers. Cigarette smoking is an example. If both parents smoke, it is much more likely for the child to smoke than if neither parents smoke. Is cigarette smoking a "disease"? Sexual addiction a disease? Compulsive gambling a disease? Compulsive shopping? No, it is a hard wired habit and a behavior!

There is a man named Don Gorske in Wisconsin who eats almost nothing except McDonalds Big Mac hamburgers. Dude will not eat anything else, and he will choose a Big Mac hamburger over the finest T-Bone steak. Probably eats about six a day. He even has stated that he will buy extra hamburgers to freeze in case he cannot get to a McDonalds. Now, does he have a "disease"? Obviously he is addicted to Big Mac hamburgers. Probably the vast majority of medical professionals would advise against just eating McDonald Big Mac hamburgers every single say as the sole source of food as a healthy diet. But Gorske has been shown to be healthy, active, had a career. So again, does he have a disease of addiction? Addiction yes, disease, no.

Let's look at the American rock band Aerosmith. Every member of that band has had substance abuse issues and have been to rehab. Mighty big coincidence that five people can come together who all have a disease of addiction. For whatever reasons, there are many musicians, actors and performance art people who have substance abuse addictions. So do people who have the mythical "disease" gravitate towards this profession? Or could it be again, psychological issues and pressures these people have to stay on top?

The rehabs teach people that they are powerless over the substance, which is ridiculous. I have the power to drink or use substances or not. What happens to people who decide and become sober, and stay sober for many years? They are a lot people in Alcoholics Anonymous who have been sober for many years who credit the program for their success. However, it wasn't AA, it was the person who developed new habits and thinking, plus the healing of the brain from not using said substances. Alcohol is everywhere. Grocery stores, gas stations, bars, restaurants. I can choose and do choose to drink or not drink. I choose to use or not use substances. Yes, people who are addicts have a strong compulsion to drink alcohol excessively, or use drugs, but it is a compulsion due to the damage of the brain from using substances. Like someone who likes to eat buckets of fried chicken becomes fat. Obesity is not the disease, and compulsion is not the disease. One cannot blame the "disease" for their actions, and since I am "powerless" over it, any action I can take to stop will be futile. Can't be both which throws the whole disease concept out a high window (or better, flushed down the toilet after my morning constitution!

The rehabs I went to never tried to treat me psychologically to find out why I was using and abusing a dangerous drug and putting myself in a dangerous situation. Their (stupid) remedy for my "disease"? Prayer, or better yet "Spirituality". I never learned what the hell "spirituality" is because no one else knew either and everyone had a thousand different ideas of what it was. Now, I am a strong agnostic who doesn't believe in God or hocus pocus. I believe in science, rationalism and proof. There is no proof that addiction is a disease. None.

Again, long. I do drink and I smoke marijuana. Trying to get some hashish now. I choose to drink and get high. There isn't a "disease" in me. It is my behavior and choices and my examples root this out well. What makes me angry is so many people believe and buy into this bullshit. Cheers!
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The World’s drug traffic value roughly corresponds to the value of the oil trade. The damage that drugs bring to the health of all mankind, and especially to the health of «developed» peoples, cannot be overemphasized. Apparently, drug addiction has become one of the main causes of the degradation of «developed» peoples.

The so-called «struggle» against drug trafficking only leads to a rise of their price for «consumers» and additional enrichment of corrupt officials and politicians.

It’s a strange situation when drug use is not forbidden (and how to forbid it to people who have fallen into the pit of drug dependence, they will still violate the ban, while putting everyone in prison is also not a solution), but it is forbidden to trade. There are calls to legalize all drugs. That is, make it even more accessible. This is also bad solution.

Logic says that the government is obliged to help people suffering from drug dependence. We must keep in mind, that this problem is both social and medical.

Let’s go to the essence of the proposal. It is necessary to establish a state monopoly on the traffic and distribution of drugs and simultaneously reduce prices enough, that the clandestine traders go bankrupt. Then they will not have money to bribe officials.

Drugs should be sold in a pharmacy on prescription, like all other medicines. The same family physician, or expert narcologist, will control the sort and amount of the drug, depending on the patient’s condition. And will try to save the patient from drug dependence by prescribing a course of treatment, or if necessary, refer for inpatient treatment.

In addition, patients will have to be under the control of the social service, regardless of their welfare.

Finally, relatives of people addicted to drug should not be afraid to inform the doctor about the condition of their loved ones, because the doctor must keep a secret. And social workers are not police, they do not start a criminal case.

In this case, corruption is possible, too, for example, among doctors. Although, the scope of such corruption will not be the same as it is now, because of low prices for drugs
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No it isn't the "end of discussion". Alcoholism and addiction to drugs is NOT A DISEASE. Addiction is a habit, a hard wired habit. People use substances because it makes them feel good and a sense of "escape". Many people become addicts/alcoholics due to something negative in their lives. This can be trauma, depression, anxiety, OCD, bipolar disorder, or other psychological problems. Addiction is the effect of the real problem, not the problem itself.

A disease is biological in nature. AIDS, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, lymphoma, leukemia are examples of diseases. The definition of a disease...

People learn behavior from family, friends and peers. Cigarette smoking is an example. If both parents smoke, it is much more likely for the child to smoke than if neither parents smoke. Is cigarette smoking a "disease"? Sexual addiction a disease? Compulsive gambling a disease? Compulsive shopping? No, it is a hard wired habit and a behavior!

Let's look at the American rock band Aerosmith. Every member of that band has had substance abuse issues and have been to rehab. Mighty big coincidence that five people can come together who all have a disease of addiction. For whatever reasons, there are many musicians, actors and performance art people who have substance abuse addictions. So do people who have the mythical "disease" gravitate towards this profession? Or could it be again, psychological issues and pressures these people have to stay on top?

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Smoke Cigarette is good and snusa(is for White Citizen) cancer is thing can happen manny with cigarette.

Alcoholism could happen me and my interest.
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What I am and I've test marijuana in 16 and 17 in teenage.
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