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Old November 10th, 2017, 10:58 AM   #11
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Explain why medical costs go up!
Medical costs go up because Obamacare requires participating insurance companies to cover those with pre existing conditions.

in an attempt to offset this Obamacare required EVERYONE to get health insurance or pay a penalty. The money from the penalty would then be used to subsidize the premiums for those who couldnít afford health insurance.

Republicans complained that Obamacare increased premiums for a lot of people and that is true. What they donít say is the reason is because it REDUCES Premiums for those who couldnít get/afford insurance otherwise.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 12:07 PM   #12
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That can't be said often enough.

Let me add a few more:

Inflation in general.
The cost of protecting oneself against a malpractice suit.
The lack of access to preventative care.
The lack of insurance.
The use of emergency rooms by those who lack insurance.
The cost of doctors' paying off loans for trophy houses and BMWs.
There is also the real technological advances, both in medicine and pharmacology. But even there, some, I'd suggest a lot, of these "advances" are to fill wants rather than needs. Plus they are very selective in pursuing things that will have widespread market demand rather than things that are badly needed but only to a small market size. Case in point - midyksadrupen and equivalents.

Also, US doctors are more prone to pressure to requisition the neat new things. I read quite an article years ago when MRIs became available. Apparently, largely among women, it became a status symbol to have had one, irregardless of there being no need, and doctors were having them done just to shut up patients. That costs too.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 03:44 PM   #13
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Explain why medical costs go up!
Government intervention.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 03:45 PM   #14
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Medical costs go up because Obamacare requires participating insurance companies to cover those with pre existing conditions.

in an attempt to offset this Obamacare required EVERYONE to get health insurance or pay a penalty. The money from the penalty would then be used to subsidize the premiums for those who couldnít afford health insurance.

Republicans complained that Obamacare increased premiums for a lot of people and that is true. What they donít say is the reason is because it REDUCES Premiums for those who couldnít get/afford insurance otherwise.
Doesn't sound very libertarian.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 03:53 PM   #15
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Explain why medical costs go up!
Because health care works, you get sick, you get health care, you get better.
Which means you get sick again.
You can get sick a number of times, and live for quite a while with a number of conditions. That's expensive, dying is cheap.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 03:57 PM   #16
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Medical costs go up because Obamacare requires participating insurance companies to cover those with pre existing conditions.

in an attempt to offset this Obamacare required EVERYONE to get health insurance or pay a penalty. The money from the penalty would then be used to subsidize the premiums for those who couldnít afford health insurance.

Republicans complained that Obamacare increased premiums for a lot of people and that is true. What they donít say is the reason is because it REDUCES Premiums for those who couldnít get/afford insurance otherwise.
Why should I subsidize someone else? No one subsidizes me.
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Doesn't sound very libertarian.
Tough shit.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 04:52 PM   #18
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A smart person would ask liberals what they wanted for this nation, rather than telling them what they wanted.


Here are my questions.

What do ALL Americans want? What can we agree on?

Do we the people really WANT every American covered?

Do we the people agree that a healthy America is a great America?

Do we the people want all our children immunized?

Do we the people allow federal intervention IF it ensures a healthier nation?
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Old November 10th, 2017, 04:55 PM   #19
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There it is. The government forces people to do something against there will for the perception of a greater good.
You should move to Somalia, you'd like it there.
As long as you have more buddies with AK's and PRG's you don't have to do anything anyone tells you to do.
Really, move. I understand the beahes are pretty nice, you can even play pirate for real. Take Sabcat with you.
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There it is. The government forces people to do something against there will for the perception of a greater good.
Yes, and before the ACA, uninsured people were showing up in emergency rooms across the country and the costs were pushed onto the insured in the form of higher premiums AGAINST THEIR WILL. You must believe the fairytale of a free lunch. Asking the uninsured to put skin in the game is just.
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