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Old November 10th, 2017, 06:00 AM   #1
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What Liberals Want for the US

Four year wait to see a specialist.

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Old November 10th, 2017, 06:11 AM   #2
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Parents of a child afflicted with leukemia who are denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition don’t have to be bothered with those there inconvenient “wait times”.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 06:30 AM   #3
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A smart person would ask liberals what they wanted for this nation, rather than telling them what they wanted.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 07:05 AM   #4
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Alan Dershowitz is a real liberal. Very few around these days.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 07:08 AM   #5
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More political fear mongering.
Myth #5: Canada rations health care; the United States doesn’t.

This one’s a little bit tricky. The truth is, Canada may “ration” by making people wait for some things, but here in the United States we also “ration” — by cost.

An 11-country survey carried out in 2010 by the Commonwealth Fund, a Washington-based health policy foundation, found that adults in the United States are by far the most likely to go without care because of cost. In fact, 42 percent of the Americans surveyed did not express confidence that they would be able to afford health care if seriously ill.

Further, about a third of the Americans surveyed reported that, in the preceding year, they didn’t go to the doctor when sick, didn’t get recommended care when needed, didn’t fill a prescription or skipped doses of medications because of cost.

Finally, about one in five of the Americans surveyed had struggled to pay or were unable to pay their medical bills in the preceding year. That was more than twice the percentage found in any of the other 10 countries.

And remember: We’re spending way more on health care than any other country, and for all that money we’re getting at best middling results.
https://www.aarp.org/politics-societ...alth-care.html

And that was in 2010. I doubt things have improved but I'm sure medical care costs have increased.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 09:14 AM   #6
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More political fear mongering.
Myth #5: Canada rations health care; the United States doesn’t.

This one’s a little bit tricky. The truth is, Canada may “ration” by making people wait for some things, but here in the United States we also “ration” — by cost.

An 11-country survey carried out in 2010 by the Commonwealth Fund, a Washington-based health policy foundation, found that adults in the United States are by far the most likely to go without care because of cost. In fact, 42 percent of the Americans surveyed did not express confidence that they would be able to afford health care if seriously ill.

Further, about a third of the Americans surveyed reported that, in the preceding year, they didn’t go to the doctor when sick, didn’t get recommended care when needed, didn’t fill a prescription or skipped doses of medications because of cost.

Finally, about one in five of the Americans surveyed had struggled to pay or were unable to pay their medical bills in the preceding year. That was more than twice the percentage found in any of the other 10 countries.

And remember: We’re spending way more on health care than any other country, and for all that money we’re getting at best middling results.
https://www.aarp.org/politics-societ...alth-care.html

And that was in 2010. I doubt things have improved but I'm sure medical care costs have increased.
Explain why medical costs go up!
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Old November 10th, 2017, 09:24 AM   #7
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Explain why medical costs go up!
Greedy doctors.
Greedy pharmaceutical manufacturers.
Greedy lawyers.
Greedy manufacturers of medical equipment and disposables.
Greedy insurance companies.
The tendency of western medicine to concentrate on treating symptoms as opposed to finding and treating causes of disease.

Just a short list off the top of my head.
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A smart person would ask liberals what they wanted for this nation, rather than telling them what they wanted.
Intelligent people already know what you want for the US.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 10:01 AM   #9
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Explain why medical costs go up!
Greedy doctors.
Greedy pharmaceutical manufacturers.
Greedy lawyers.
Greedy manufacturers of medical equipment and disposables.
Greedy insurance companies.
The tendency of western medicine to concentrate on treating symptoms as opposed to finding and treating causes of disease.

Just a short list off the top of my head.
That can't be said often enough.

Let me add a few more:

Inflation in general.
The cost of protecting oneself against a malpractice suit.
The lack of access to preventative care.
The lack of insurance.
The use of emergency rooms by those who lack insurance.
The cost of doctors' paying off loans for trophy houses and BMWs.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 10:13 AM   #10
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That can't be said often enough.

Let me add a few more:

Inflation in general.
The cost of protecting oneself against a malpractice suit.
The lack of access to preventative care.
The lack of insurance.
The use of emergency rooms by those who lack insurance.
The cost of doctors' paying off loans for trophy houses and BMWs.
At some point in time we as a country need to decide if medical care for our citizens is just another business, like selling cars or tennis shoes, or should it be
a public service, a right.
It is not too extreme, IMHO of course, to describe public health as an issue of national security. IF we had to fight another war on the scale of WWII could we draft enough fit and healthy young men and women to even fight it?
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