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Old January 4th, 2018, 01:27 PM   #21
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I've lived in this country since the establishment of a national healthcare system in 1968.

In all that time I have never heard of the "Complete Life System".

Is that an invention of the regressive US right wing? I can only find references to it from opponents of Obamacare who claim that is what the ACA uses.
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I've lived in this country since the establishment of a national healthcare system in 1968.

In all that time I have never heard of the "Complete Life System".

Is that an invention of the regressive US right wing? I can only find references to it from opponents of Obamacare who claim that is what the ACA uses.
One of my ex step daughters lives in Toronto, married with two kids. She's never had any complaints about obtaining health care nor the quality of what she received.

There have been times when she and/or her husband have been unemployed. She said the ONE THING she never had to worry about was needing a doctor. Paying the rent, having enough food, keeping the lights on, THESE were the things she worried about and stressed over at times. But even when they were dead broke, she COULD STILL take her children to the Dr. Neither she nor her children ever had to suffer because she had to choose between paying rent and going to a doctor. She's also never had to stay in a job she really hated because she couldn't find a better job that offered insurance.
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I've lived in this country since the establishment of a national healthcare system in 1968.

In all that time I have never heard of the "Complete Life System".

Is that an invention of the regressive US right wing? I can only find references to it from opponents of Obamacare who claim that is what the ACA uses.
It is a system where the very young and the older you get you are more likely to be refused care. And yes the Canadian System used the Complete lives system for it's rationing. a 55 year old with an Ulcer will fall behind a 45 year old with the same situation.

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If the top Canadian doctors pan their own non-competitive health care rationing system, why would America want to join them? ... "“When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas*

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Old January 4th, 2018, 02:04 PM   #24
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One of my ex step daughters lives in Toronto, married with two kids. She's never had any complaints about obtaining health care nor the quality of what she received.

There have been times when she and/or her husband have been unemployed. She said the ONE THING she never had to worry about was needing a doctor. Paying the rent, having enough food, keeping the lights on, THESE were the things she worried about and stressed over at times. But even when they were dead broke, she COULD STILL take her children to the Dr. Neither she nor her children ever had to suffer because she had to choose between paying rent and going to a doctor. She's also never had to stay in a job she really hated because she couldn't find a better job that offered insurance.
I'm 71. In the past 10 years I have had COPD, a serious lung infection, two unrelated cancers and in all that time I have had two MRIs, 14 CT scans, two courses of chemo, two courses of radiation, two PET scans, two bone scans and a three week hospital stay. Not to mention all the blood tests and so on related to that.

But it wasn't free. It cost me, must be about $400 in parking by now. I supposed I mostly could have taken the bus but that sucks when you're feeling a bit poorly.

I guess you have to be way older than me before the death squads become a problem.
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I'm 71. In the past 10 years I have had COPD, a serious lung infection, two unrelated cancers and in all that time I have had two MRIs, 14 CT scans, two courses of chemo, two courses of radiation, two PET scans, two bone scans and a three week hospital stay. Not to mention all the blood tests and so on related to that.

But it wasn't free. It cost me, must be about $400 in parking by now. I supposed I mostly could have taken the bus but that sucks when you're feeling a bit poorly.

I guess you have to be way older than me before the death squads become a problem.
That means you were lucky there was not many Middle aged people that got sick in your province. You see Canada has a system they allocate X number of MRIs for an area.. if that allocation is near being met they begin rationing the service/procedures etc...
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That means you were lucky there was not many Middle aged people that got sick in your province. You see Canada has a system they allocate X number of MRIs for an area.. if that allocation is near being met they begin rationing the service/procedures etc...
That is (again) a total fucking lie. You are dooming yourself to eternal damnation here TNV.

I am currently living in Canada's equivalent of Florida. This is where old farts go when they retire. So another thing you don't know fuck-all about.

But that never stops you from spewing your lies.
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That is (again) a total fucking lie. You are dooming yourself to eternal damnation here TNV.

I am currently living in Canada's equivalent of Florida. This is where old farts go when they retire. So another thing you don't know fuck-all about.

But that never stops you from spewing your lies.
IT is not a lie, it is a fact. the Canadian Health Services has allocated to region, Provence county parrish (how ever the nation is divided)

the Closer that allocation has been spent the greater the rationing is done.


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What doesn't happen in a free market system?

People who can't afford it, don't get healthcare.....
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If Canadians are happy suffering and dying because their Government is to cheap to care for them. They voted for that system..

DON'T SELL ME THAT 2ND RATE HEATLTHCARE SYSTEM vs the US Healthcare system that is superior.

I am sorry but the Judges that heard the evidence said the Canadian national Heathcare system was forcing people to suffer and die... leaving after that decision was stayed this left NO OTHER OPTION except SUFFER AND DIE..

At least here you can Change Insurance Companies, you can self pay, you can even get a go fund me page.
It's as if you have never heard the words "pre-existing condition" or "you're plan does not cover that test/procedure."
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I'm 71. In the past 10 years I have had COPD, a serious lung infection, two unrelated cancers and in all that time I have had two MRIs, 14 CT scans, two courses of chemo, two courses of radiation, two PET scans, two bone scans and a three week hospital stay. Not to mention all the blood tests and so on related to that.

But it wasn't free. It cost me, must be about $400 in parking by now. I supposed I mostly could have taken the bus but that sucks when you're feeling a bit poorly.

I guess you have to be way older than me before the death squads become a problem.
And on the flip side, here in the US. My dad had a very rare and very aggressive form of cancer. He started with the usual treatments but as it progressed his oncologist wanted to use a new chemo drug. One that tho rather expensive had been proven effective on dad's cancer. Unfortunately Medicare would NOT approve it and dad could not afford it. I can't say with any certainty that dad would have lived longer if he had had access to the better treatment. But it would have been nice to find out. SO anyone that thinks the US doesn't ration health care is clearly delusional.

How many go fund me sites are out there for people who have insurance, but the company wont approve the treatment ??

Apparently in TV's world it's perfectly OK for an insurance company to maximize their profits by dictating what treatments a patient can or can't have, but if a government does the same things it's because they're evil and socialist and STUFF !!
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