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Old June 16th, 2018, 10:39 AM   #11
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Kratom is expensive? In what world? I pay around $100 kg

You think that things would get less expensive if bureaucracies got involved. That is insane.


I understand all of that. The point is that they advertised it as the non addictive replacement whereas it is far, far more addictive.
where are you finding it for that price??
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Old June 16th, 2018, 10:42 AM   #12
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here, here! without ms contin (time released morphine) and percocet (same as oxycontin only not time released), i too would be unable to get out of bed and have a life. why should the people who really need the meds and follow the directions be punished because of the junkies who take wayyy too much.????? it's not the manufacturers fault that people abuse their meds! are we going to sue the people who make penicillin and benzos and any other type of med???
First of Percocet is Oxycodone mixed with acetaminophen (Tylenol)

Second why do you feel that this lawsuit would punish the responsible users?
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Well, there are cigarettes and alcoholic beverages and we know both of them can be addictive. Coke used to be addictive too because it was made with coke and thought to be a good substitute for alcohol during the prohibition. All caffeinated drinks can be addictive and so can sugar be addictive. Soda pop is largely responsible for the huge increase in childhood diabetes 2 in the US and poor South American countries. I would take strong measures to stop exporting this sugar poison and reduce the consumption of in our own country. I think we should tax all alcohol and sugar products and use the revenue to support health care, and taxing possibly addictive medications may increase awareness of the risk and encourage making different choices.

I think it is a hard line to draw between protecting people and the freedom we value. Suing people for a product made for good reasons, when possible problems were unknown, does not seem right to me. Perhaps we should move forward by having people sign agreements saying they are aware of the risk and will not sue, and leave the past in the past?
Coca-Cola was made with coca leaves, not cocaine - that has always been a misunderstanding because of the secretive nature of the Pemberton's original recipe. The coca leaves were taken out of the recipe BECAUSE of the prohibition laws, never to return. The addictive part was and still is the CAFFEINE.
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Well, there are cigarettes and alcoholic beverages and we know both of them can be addictive. Coke used to be addictive too because it was made with coke and thought to be a good substitute for alcohol during the prohibition. All caffeinated drinks can be addictive and so can sugar be addictive. Soda pop is largely responsible for the huge increase in childhood diabetes 2 in the US and poor South American countries. I would take strong measures to stop exporting this sugar poison and reduce the consumption of in our own country. I think we should tax all alcohol and sugar products and use the revenue to support health care, and taxing possibly addictive medications may increase awareness of the risk and encourage making different choices.

I think it is a hard line to draw between protecting people and the freedom we value. Suing people for a product made for good reasons, when possible problems were unknown, does not seem right to me. Perhaps we should move forward by having people sign agreements saying they are aware of the risk and will not sue, and leave the past in the past?


That is the thing. They knew what they were putting on the market. That is the basis of the lawsuit i assume.
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Lawsuit Targets Billionaire OxyContin Family for Causing Opioid Epidemic

In the state of Massachusetts, the opioid epidemic really spreads the communities and ethnicities. That combat was published in a study in the American Journal of Law & Medicine, and it recounts that less than twelve percent of Americans in 2014 were addicted to painkillers in the receivable treatment. That came just before Governor Charles Baker signed a bill that limits prescribed opioids.

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Old June 16th, 2018, 11:17 AM   #16
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here, here! without ms contin (time released morphine) and percocet (same as oxycontin only not time released), i too would be unable to get out of bed and have a life. why should the people who really need the meds and follow the directions be punished because of the junkies who take wayyy too much.????? it's not the manufacturers fault that people abuse their meds! are we going to sue the people who make penicillin and benzos and any other type of med???
People here could use more information about addiction. Some of us are more prone to addiction than others and to reduce the risk factor we need to evaluate a person's risk factor before prescribing a drug. Genes are not the only factor, but it is one that we can easily test for.

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IT'S THE CLOSEST THING to fortune telling science has to offer – only in this case, it's not your palms or horoscope being read, it's your genes. Genetic testing for addiction identifies certain genes and their variations that may predict who's at greatest risk of developing substance use disorders. And in a heroin and opiate epidemic that's claiming 78 lives each day, genetic tests for opiate addiction are beginning to surface in clinics around the country. A quick and painless swab on the inside of the mouth that's sent to the lab for analysis reportedly can tell doctors how a patient will respond to various opioid and non-opioid pain medications, including what their risks of dependency are.
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That is the thing. They knew what they were putting on the market. That is the basis of the lawsuit i assume.

I believe many congress members and business people put money first. But why the delay in figuring there was a serious problem? I am in favor of holding the decision makers accountable for their decisions and that includes members of the Congress. They all knew there was a potential risk, and yet it took many years to act on that? We need a better system for tracking new products and collecting information about potential problems so bad decisions can be corrected sooner.
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I live with a lot of pain and here is why I do not use pain medication.

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Addiction and Withdrawal
Withdrawal is common if you have developed a physical dependency to OxyContin. Withdrawal signs often appear as 'flu-like' symptoms, and can include:

Increased pain sensitivity.
Diffuse body aches.
Increased restlessness and agitation.
Insomnia.
Lack of appetite.
Nausea and vomiting.
Diarrhea.
Chills.
Cold sweats.
For me, having to have more and more of a medication is a warning sign of possible addiction. The fact that the pain is actually intensified by the medication is another warning I take seriously. For those using a pain medication try staying off it for a month and see if your level of pain doesn't decrease. Your kidneys and liver will appreciate it if you stop doing the meds. And if you exercise to manage your pain, you will get benefits.

This is not just about OxyContin, any of the pain meds can cause increased pain sensitivity and diffusion of body aches, even off the counter pain meds, and if you increase the medication to keep up with the increased pain, the risks to the kidneys and liver is increased. I know it isn't pleasant living pain, but I don't want to loose my kidneys or liver.
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Kratom is expensive? In what world? I pay around $100 kg

You think that things would get less expensive if bureaucracies got involved. That is insane.


I understand all of that. The point is that they advertised it as the non addictive replacement whereas it is far, far more addictive.
we get 35 ounces for 380.00 + shipping.

It's not prohibitively expensive (obviously) or we wouldn't buy it.

But it's still one helluva lot more expensive than my Oxy prescription for which I have a $5 copay once a month.
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I live with a lot of pain and here is why I do not use pain medication.



For me, having to have more and more of a medication is a warning sign of possible addiction. The fact that the pain is actually intensified by the medication is another warning I take seriously. For those using a pain medication try staying off it for a month and see if your level of pain doesn't decrease. Your kidneys and liver will appreciate it if you stop doing the meds. And if you exercise to manage your pain, you will get benefits.

This is not just about OxyContin, any of the pain meds can cause increased pain sensitivity and diffusion of body aches, even off the counter pain meds, and if you increase the medication to keep up with the increased pain, the risks to the kidneys and liver is increased. I know it isn't pleasant living pain, but I don't want to loose my kidneys or liver.
I don't have the same reactions.
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