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Old June 17th, 2018, 07:41 AM   #21
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we get 35 ounces for 380.00 + shipping.

It's not prohibitively expensive (obviously) or we wouldn't buy it.

But it's still one helluva lot more expensive than my Oxy prescription for which I have a $5 copay once a month.
Wow!! That is way over priced.

Oxy is $1 mg street value fyi which is almost twice the cost of heroin. This is why we are seeing a surge of people in your position who get cut off from their Drs coping dope fast forward a few months and they are fish flopping in the ER because their dope is really heavily stepped on then sprayed w/ fentanil.
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I don't have the same reactions.
I don't think I am judging what is right or wrong for others, but having our facts right may be important?

What do you mean by you don't have the same reactions? Your kidneys and liver are superhuman like a teenager who is indestructible? You spoke of the pain you experience when you don't use your meds, but not using your meds for a couple of days without going into convolutions doesn't prove you are not addicted. My alcoholic X also went without his booze for a couple days before payday. He thought that proved he wasn't an alcoholic. Never mind that his money went to the bar instead of into the bank account so we could buy a house.

In a few days you will notice the pain, but in a month without meds, you may notice that pain diminishing? We all have good days and bad days and I can appreciate using medication to avoid those bad days, especially when no days are that good, but by doing so, you assure you will have no good days without your meds. Only when your body adjusts to being without the meds, can the pain dimish on its own, and you can return to normal good and bad days.

Oh, oh, the best meds are steroids! If I could use steroids daily without bad side effects you could bet your entire bank account that I would be using them. Man, it was like being 18 again. I felt great and I would dearly love to feel like that at least once a week. My apartment would look so much better if I felt better. But hey, opioids, just don't cut it for me. That is not the feeling I want. Steriods give me the feeling I want.

I manage my pain by going to the gym and immediately getting in the hot tub to relieve my pain. I do stretches in the hot tub and the pool and swim laps in the pool. This has reduced my pain and stiffness. When I do not get to the gym, it is like I have rigor mortis and in general, my body is not user-friendly. Some great benefits of this gym routine is I am much stronger and my blood sugar level has dropped. I love how easily I can move heavy things now. I have to work at having a useable body, and it takes several hours to get to the gym, change in and out of clothes and the showers and washing my hair. It is a big bother but if I were not doing it, I would be in a wheelchair and getting worse.

Now my sister has every operation she can have and does every medication she can get and admittedly she does far better than I do! She can hike into the mountains carrying everything she needs on her back and camp for days. She can clean house like someone on meth from sun up to sun down. No way can I do what she does and perhaps her way is better. I am not judging right and wrong for others, only picking at the facts so the discussions are well-informed decisions. Unfortunately, meds can have bad side effects, so I have chosen the gym instead. My sister is the one who got me into the gym. I really admire her. But you don't want to be around her when she coming down off her meds.
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I don't think I am judging what is right or wrong for others, but having our facts right may be important?

What do you mean by you don't have the same reactions? Your kidneys and liver are superhuman like a teenager who is indestructible? You spoke of the pain you experience when you don't use your meds, but not using your meds for a couple of days without going into convolutions doesn't prove you are not addicted. My alcoholic X also went without his booze for a couple days before payday. He thought that proved he wasn't an alcoholic. Never mind that his money went to the bar instead of into the bank account so we could buy a house.

In a few days you will notice the pain, but in a month without meds, you may notice that pain diminishing? We all have good days and bad days and I can appreciate using medication to avoid those bad days, especially when no days are that good, but by doing so, you assure you will have no good days without your meds. Only when your body adjusts to being without the meds, can the pain dimish on its own, and you can return to normal good and bad days.

Oh, oh, the best meds are steroids! If I could use steroids daily without bad side effects you could bet your entire bank account that I would be using them. Man, it was like being 18 again. I felt great and I would dearly love to feel like that at least once a week. My apartment would look so much better if I felt better. But hey, opioids, just don't cut it for me. That is not the feeling I want. Steriods give me the feeling I want.

I manage my pain by going to the gym and immediately getting in the hot tub to relieve my pain. I do stretches in the hot tub and the pool and swim laps in the pool. This has reduced my pain and stiffness. When I do not get to the gym, it is like I have rigor mortis and in general, my body is not user-friendly. Some great benefits of this gym routine is I am much stronger and my blood sugar level has dropped. I love how easily I can move heavy things now. I have to work at having a useable body, and it takes several hours to get to the gym, change in and out of clothes and the showers and washing my hair. It is a big bother but if I were not doing it, I would be in a wheelchair and getting worse.

Now my sister has every operation she can have and does every medication she can get and admittedly she does far better than I do! She can hike into the mountains carrying everything she needs on her back and camp for days. She can clean house like someone on meth from sun up to sun down. No way can I do what she does and perhaps her way is better. I am not judging right and wrong for others, only picking at the facts so the discussions are well-informed decisions. Unfortunately, meds can have bad side effects, so I have chosen the gym instead. My sister is the one who got me into the gym. I really admire her. But you don't want to be around her when she coming down off her meds.


These are proven methods for pain management, unfortunately both the state and the media are having their strings strongly pulled by the pharmaceutical industry. Of course it doesn't work for everyone but more people i know who have done the work are pleasantly surprised w/ the results than are not. Though many give up before they can start reaping the rewards.

Of course those who support and endorse these avenues are dubbed "hippies" and voodoo crystal nutbags.

You may find this interesting (a bit off topic) how the government and the fda are responsible for the obesity and diabetes epidemics.

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They advertised is as the non addictive replacement to Vicodin. The reps then convicted the medical community that over prescribing was basically impossible flooding the market w/ a synthesized heroin creating tens if not hundreds of thousands of addicts. Now pharma is lobbying the judges in some areas to sentence people to take their "cures".

Yup, I agree with the argument. & I'm surprised that CIA or CDC or somebody didn't blow the whistle long before this. Of course, CIA was involved in drug-smuggling themselves (helping the Contras & various unsavory types make money to buy arms, influence, etc.) So perhaps the alphabet soup got confused - & merely saw a gray kind of fund-raising, instead of an indirect national security threat.

& either your spellchecker went wild, or you typed your heart's desire. If the manufacturers kept track of their escalating production & sales, I think one can make a case that they should have noticed that something was seriously wrong out in the hinterland. They could have self-reported & avoided doing the perp walk, so to speak.
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why should the people who really need the meds and follow the directions be punished because of the junkies who take wayyy too much.????? it's not the manufacturers fault that people abuse their meds! are we going to sue the people who make penicillin and benzos and any other type of med???
Except for allergy to penicillin, a moderate overdose of penicillin shouldn't be dangerous. The danger from penicillin is failure to take the entire course of treatment - killing only the weakest bacteria targeted, & leaving the surviving bacteria with some immunity to the antibiotic. Bacteria have much shorter lifespans than mammals, & can exchange genetic material freely - which they do. Any acquired antibiotic immunity is rapidly shared, as the weaker variants are killed off.

It's the reverse of herd immunity - if you go around killing only the weakest forms of bacteria, the survivors are stronger & more immune to antibiotics (& possibly more flexible in their antibiotic immunity - if that's how they survived before). We're essentially running massive experiments in antibiotic immunity in bacteria out in the World - with no controls & no end in sight.
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Every booze distiller, brewer and vineyard, as well as all liquor stores are in deep shit too, now I guess.
Bars (& restaurants, to some extent) in the US are increasingly targets of suits, for serving people who were obviously drunk or seriously incapacitated by alcohol consumption. That's been a trend over the last 20 years or so.

I'm not sure that anyone has sued manufacturers nor wholesale distribution nodes to this point - bars are targeted because they have the customer there long enough to observe alcohol toxicity problems.
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Yup, I agree with the argument. & I'm surprised that CIA or CDC or somebody didn't blow the whistle long before this. Of course, CIA was involved in drug-smuggling themselves (helping the Contras & various unsavory types make money to buy arms, influence, etc.) So perhaps the alphabet soup got confused - & merely saw a gray kind of fund-raising, instead of an indirect national security threat.

& either your spellchecker went wild, or you typed your heart's desire. If the manufacturers kept track of their escalating production & sales, I think one can make a case that they should have noticed that something was seriously wrong out in the hinterland. They could have self-reported & avoided doing the perp walk, so to speak.
Lol. Probably a bit of both.
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Except for allergy to penicillin, a moderate overdose of penicillin shouldn't be dangerous. The danger from penicillin is failure to take the entire course of treatment - killing only the weakest bacteria targeted, & leaving the surviving bacteria with some immunity to the antibiotic. Bacteria have much shorter lifespans than mammals, & can exchange genetic material freely - which they do. Any acquired antibiotic immunity is rapidly shared, as the weaker variants are killed off.

It's the reverse of herd immunity - if you go around killing only the weakest forms of bacteria, the survivors are stronger & more immune to antibiotics (& possibly more flexible in their antibiotic immunity - if that's how they survived before). We're essentially running massive experiments in antibiotic immunity in bacteria out in the World - with no controls & no end in sight.
This is one of the great current dangers in the world. People who don't finish a course of antibiotic. That's how resistant strains develop.
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I think we should give the Oxycontin family a reward. They are helping winnow the losers out of our society.

I feel no sympathy for people killing themselves through voluntarily abusing drugs. It's called "Darwinism". The weak and stupid are obligingly killing themselves, and we should thank them for it. On the other hand I feel if people want to use drugs, more power to them. But don't ask me to bail them out when they fuck up, it's part of responsibility for one's own actions.
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First of Percocet is Oxycodone mixed with acetaminophen (Tylenol)

Second why do you feel that this lawsuit would punish the responsible users?
if they stop making it, the people who really are in severe pain can't get it. this might be why big pharma is so interested in kratom. you can't beat it'a safety record.
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