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Old May 2nd, 2005, 04:09 AM   #1
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What do you think about the illegals crossing the border? Think they should have the right to work in America?
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 05:13 AM   #2
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What do you think about the illegals crossing the border? Think they should have the right to work in America?




Absolutely not. I don't approve of people crossing any border illegally.



I wish we could help them make their homeland a better place to be, so leaving wouldn't be necessary.
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 06:49 AM   #3
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Absolutely not. I don't approve of people crossing any border illegally.



I wish we could help them make their homeland a better place to be, so leaving wouldn't be necessary.




Wow... Anti-Americanism at its greatest folks. Deny people the opportunity to create a better life for themselves... Hey "lets just install a communist government in those 3rd world countries- and let them slip into greater poverty.." - Yeah thats real smart.

You keep on stooping to lower levels...

This whats in it for me attitude in America needs to be halted.
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Old May 2nd, 2005, 02:17 PM   #4
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I could care less--let 'em hop the border. Who else will take anti-septic jobs? Who the hell would clean up puke in bars or do laundry for a living? Who wants to mop floors and wash dishes?



Not even America's teenagers would do that, they all work in retail and whatnot.



The fact is that NAFTA and WTO fucked and continue to fuck a lot of people over, and now we need to protect our country from the people who's lives we're destroying?



This is what I've been saying when I'm talking about how Americans only look a few years into the future and forget about the past so quickly. In the early-mid 1990's we said "let's move all our business to third world countries, make their poor/working class work for our companies, put their businesses in a position where they can't support themselves, put the people into a position where they won't be able to afford further education and improve the lives of the upper-middle class yet some more!"



Now what? They say "we don't want those dirty immigrants in our country, yeah the ones who's lives we ruined a decade ago".



Besides, people should view the world as a whole anyway, not as separate countries. Abstractions shouldn't have the right to lay claim to a specific peice of land, it simply divides the world and the people who belong to the countries.



That's my take on it, anyhow.
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Old May 3rd, 2005, 06:26 AM   #5
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Is anyone here a pure native american? No? Then face the fact that we are all immigrants, or descended from immigrants. Our ancestors came to America to find a better life, which they accomplished. Now we would deny the same opportunity to others? I visited the statue of liberty last year, it was my first ever visit to NY. Inside the pedestal of the statue there was a plaque, which has since been moved and put on display in Battery Park.

It reads:

Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.

I lift my lamp beside the golden door





Kinda sounds like desperate immigrants to me.



I like the comic on this link, as it more or less sums up the way I feel. (a warning, not for those who are easily offended by foul language) http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart
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Old May 3rd, 2005, 02:54 PM   #6
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So let me get this straight.... you guys actually think we should allow immigrants into America for the rest of America's future just because that is how we started?



Forever?? indefinitely??



And you think that would work how exactly?
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From the point of view of the natural American, immigration most easily lends itself to be viewed in a negative light. Workers willing to take a job for two dollars a day do indeed eliminate that job for a potential American worker. However, without unscrupulous companies willing to hire them below the federal minimum wage, this becomes a nonissue.

One American argument that I frequently hear concerns the language and culture aspect. Well, you know what? Although the federal government speaks in and writes laws in english, there is no "National Language" at the federal level. Some 27 states have made english their official language, but Spanish, French, and Hawaiian, have also been designated as official state languages.

Some people take that one step further and claim that the influx of immigrants will "pollute their culture". What happened to America being "The Melting Pot of the World"?

The only valid American argument in my mind is that illegal immigration is a Huge drain on the economy, as a result of the services (drivers licences, free medical clinics, etc...) that illegals do not earn by way of taxes. This is very true, and it is also very avoidable. Offer these immigrants the same opportunity that MILLIONS of immigrants had at Ellis Island. Let them become American citizens, let them help us and our country. Educate them, provide them with access to health care. Let them become productive. Let them boost our economy through their hard work.

In my mind, America is the greatest country in the world. I want to share the American experience with as many people as would have it.
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From the point of view of the natural American, immigration most easily lends itself to be viewed in a negative light. Workers willing to take a job for two dollars a day do indeed eliminate that job for a potential American worker. However, without unscrupulous companies willing to hire them below the federal minimum wage, this becomes a nonissue.

One American argument that I frequently hear concerns the language and culture aspect. Well, you know what? Although the federal government speaks in and writes laws in english, there is no "National Language" at the federal level. Some 27 states have made english their official language, but Spanish, French, and Hawaiian, have also been designated as official state languages.

Some people take that one step further and claim that the influx of immigrants will "pollute their culture". What happened to America being "The Melting Pot of the World"?

The only valid American argument in my mind is that illegal immigration is a Huge drain on the economy, as a result of the services (drivers licences, free medical clinics, etc...) that illegals do not earn by way of taxes. This is very true, and it is also very avoidable. Offer these immigrants the same opportunity that MILLIONS of immigrants had at Ellis Island. Let them become American citizens, let them help us and our country. Educate them, provide them with access to health care. Let them become productive. Let them boost our economy through their hard work.

In my mind, America is the greatest country in the world. I want to share the American experience with as many people as would have it.




At this point in America's history an indefinite acceptance of immigrants is simply unfeasible if you want a stable plan for future economies. At some point the cup will be poured past the brim, if we aren't there already.
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Wow... thats a gross misunderstanding of economics if i have ever seen one.
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Wow... thats a gross misunderstanding of economics if i have ever seen one.




Please explain how we are going to plan for an indefinite amount of people streaming into the country for the rest of America's future. The notion is silly.
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