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Old October 29th, 2015, 02:13 PM   #91
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There was no migrant "crisis" until after the mess made in Libya. And how come so many of these "migrants" are military age men?


I don't know. Why?
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Old October 29th, 2015, 08:11 PM   #92
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BNI invites women and men in the European Union to post their stories about the Muslim invasion and how it is affecting your lives. NO NAMES will be revealed, just countries. The media will not post your stories, but your warnings must be heard before itís too late.
this is a blog that has invited people to leave their stories. there is of course no way of checking how accurate any of them are, or the comments that follow.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/1...your-families/
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Old October 29th, 2015, 10:22 PM   #93
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this is a blog that has invited people to leave their stories. there is of course no way of checking how accurate any of them are, or the comments that follow.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/1...your-families/
Damn....
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The culture of alcohol. Look at the faces. But it's history.

Mostly, people are burned nowadays by smart bombs. And dumb bombs, mortar shells, stuff like that.
The point is that it happened. Maybe I went a bit overboard with that picture, but my point is that the sins of the past affect the present. Acting like it was some "fad", does not help anyone heal from it. Denial and revision of historical facts just keeps the hate and resentment alive.

Same thing with the Muslims. Western colonialism in that region is what directly led to the problems of today. That's why they hate us. Not because of our democracy or Christianity or whatever nonsense the media and politicians make up, but because of our imperialism. They at your doorstep because you bombed the shit out of their homes.

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Old October 30th, 2015, 06:56 AM   #95
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The point is that it happened. Maybe I went a bit overboard with that picture, but my point is that the sins of the past affect the present. Acting like it was some "fad", does not help anyone heal from it. Denial and revision of historical facts just keeps the hate and resentment alive.

Same thing with the Muslims. Western colonialism in that region is what directly led to the problems of today. That's why they hate us. Not because of our democracy or Christianity or whatever nonsense the media and politicians make up, but because of our imperialism. They [are] at your doorstep because you bombed the shit out of their homes.
I didn't bomb anyone and worked hard in the Iraq War anti-war movement. The biggest mistake the US has made in my lifetime is the Iraq War, bigger than Vietnam or Korea. The only candidate for president in 2008 and 2012 who loudly and clearly said our interference was the problem and sometimes got booed for doing telling the truth was Ron Paul. That's why I worked for him like I never worked for any political representative.

All we need to do or should do re: Islam is disengage. Hey, let the Russians get mired in the muck. It will be interesting to watch. Putin is supporting a butcher. He's bombing civilians. He's making for-life enemies. He's decided to be buds with the Shia. Great, because that's the real drama and the West hasn't a damn thing to do with that: Shia vs. Sunni.

Right now, the Muslim excuse with some truth to it is things are fucked up in their countries owing to Western interference. But it's just an excuse. If the ledger of history could be wiped clean, the Shia and the Sunnis would be at each other's throats.
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The West has supported dictators throughout the Middle East in exchange for free flowing oil. Those dictators have made the region unlivable. Now the whining starts because the chickens are coming home to roost.
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I didn't bomb anyone and worked hard in the Iraq War anti-war movement. The biggest mistake the US has made in my lifetime is the Iraq War, bigger than Vietnam or Korea. The only candidate for president in 2008 and 2012 who loudly and clearly said our interference was the problem and sometimes got booed for doing telling the truth was Ron Paul. That's why I worked for him like I never worked for any political representative.
I didn't say you did, but the government that we pay taxes to did.


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All we need to do or should do re: Islam is disengage. Hey, let the Russians get mired in the muck. It will be interesting to watch. Putin is supporting a butcher. He's bombing civilians. He's making for-life enemies. He's decided to be buds with the Shia. Great, because that's the real drama and the West hasn't a damn thing to do with that: Shia vs. Sunni.

Right now, the Muslim excuse with some truth to it is things are fucked up in their countries owing to Western interference. But it's just an excuse. If the ledger of history could be wiped clean, the Shia and the Sunnis would be at each other's throats.
It's not an excuse. It's the truth, and this is the problem I have with a lot of people in the West. They're so patriotic that they don't acknowledge anything wrong that their country has done. They act like past actions that affected millions of people, were simply things that happened in the past and have no effect on the situation of today.

They lived in peace for centuries under the Ottoman Empire, so the whole "they've always hated each other" argument doesn't really make sense.
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The West has supported dictators throughout the Middle East in exchange for free flowing oil. Those dictators have made the region unlivable. Now the whining starts because the chickens are coming home to roost.
Unlivable? How would you know? Have you lived there or even visited there?

A dictator in power is much better than muslim islamists in power.
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Unlivable? How would you know? Have you lived there or even visited there?

A dictator in power is much better than muslim islamists in power.
The greed from the West is coming home to roost.
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They lived in peace for centuries under the Ottoman Empire, so the whole "they've always hated each other" argument doesn't really make sense.
Actually it does, the Sunny and Shia sects have always hated each other more than they have other faiths, they both see each other as heretics, while Christians and Jews are considered "children of the book" and therefore according to the Koran shouldn't be harmed.
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