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Old January 31st, 2017, 08:18 PM   #31
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You clobbered nothing and are now posting in circles. And you were snookered by Clara.


You don't know what you're talking about, OK?
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Still making sense, still being roundly ignored....

Ron Paul: A Better Solution Than A Border Wall


Just one week in office, President Donald Trump is already following through on his pledge to address illegal immigration. His January 25th executive order called for the construction of a wall along the entire length of the U.S.-Mexico border. While he is right to focus on the issue, there are several reasons why his proposed solution will unfortunately not lead us anywhere closer to solving the problem.

First, the wall will not work. Texas already started building a border fence about ten years ago. It divided people from their own property across the border, it deprived people of their land through the use of eminent domain, and in the end the problem of drug and human smuggling was not solved.

Second, the wall will be expensive. The wall is estimated to cost between 12 and 15 billion dollars. You can bet it will be more than that. President Trump has claimed that if the Mexican government doesn’t pay for it, he will impose a 20 percent duty on products imported from Mexico. Who will pay this tax? Ultimately, the American consumer, as the additional costs will be passed on. This will of course hurt the poorest Americans the most.

Third, building a wall ignores the real causes of illegal border crossings into the United States. Though President Trump is right to prioritize the problem of border security, he misses the point on how it can be done effectively and at an actual financial benefit to the country rather than a huge economic drain.

The solution to really addressing the problem of illegal immigration, drug smuggling, and the threat of cross-border terrorism is clear: Remove the welfare magnet that attracts so many to cross the border illegally, stop the 25 year U.S. war in the Middle East, and end the drug war that incentivizes smugglers to cross the border.

The various taxpayer-funded programs that benefit illegal immigrants in the United States, such as direct financial transfers, medical benefits, food assistance, and education, cost an estimated $100 billion dollars per year. That is a significant burden on citizens and legal residents. The promise of free money, free food, free education, and free medical care if you cross the border illegally is a powerful incentive for people to do so. It especially makes no sense for the United States government to provide these services to those who are not in the U.S. legally.

Likewise, the 40-year war on drugs has produced no benefit to the American people at a great cost. It is estimated that since President Nixon declared a war on drugs, the U.S. has spent more than a trillion dollars to fight what is a losing battle. That is because just as with the welfare magnet, there is an enormous incentive to smuggle drugs into the United States.

We already know the effect that ending the war on drugs has on illegal smuggling: as more and more U.S. states decriminalize marijuana for medical and recreational uses, marijuana smuggling from Mexico to the U.S. has dropped by 50 percent from 2010.

Finally, the threat of terrorists crossing into the United States from Mexico must be taken seriously, however once again we must soberly consider why they may seek to do us harm. We have been dropping bombs on the Middle East since at least 1990. Last year President Barack Obama dropped more than 26,000 bombs. Thousands of civilians have been killed in US drone attacks. The grand U.S. plan to “remake” the Middle East has produced only misery, bloodshed, and terrorism. Ending this senseless intervention will go a long way toward removing the incentive to attack the United States.

I believe it is important for the United States to have secure borders, but unfortunately President Trump’s plan to build a wall will end up costing a fortune while ignoring the real problem of why people cross the borders illegally. They will keep coming as long as those incentives remain.
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Thanks for an interesting read and I agree with 86% of what you wrote. Yesterday the USS Antietam, a guided missile cruiser, grounded in Tokyo Bay which penetrated the hull spilling lots of hydraulic oil and bending the screws. That Captain is toast.
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Thanks for an interesting read and I agree with 86% of what you wrote. Yesterday the USS Antietam, a guided missile cruiser, grounded in Tokyo Bay which penetrated the hull spilling lots of hydraulic oil and bending the screws. That Captain is toast.

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There will be a court of inquiry and if the Harbor Master was on board like he should have been then he has the responsibility for not grounding the ship. Hydraulic oil and bent screws sounds like aftersteering where I stood many watches when a young sailor. Aftersteering is where the rudder hydraulic pumps are. I bet when the ship grounded and bridge lost control, the order to aftersteering was aftersteering take control.
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Good catch, Most ODS sufferers have a very uncertain period in their life upcoming. They've been the downtrodden doing their best against the Ebul Progs who have thwarted every good thing the ODS sufferers wanted to do, like ........ well, you know, some of those good things they wanted to do. Stopped cold.

And now, even though the ODS sufferers are in full control of the presidency and Congress, you watch Clara. The Ebul Progs will screw things up.

Just watch.

It's like when Barney Frank, from his position as a minority member of the Banking Committee, forced banks to make bad mortgagages, by ... by.... by saying something, yeah, he said something and the whole economy collapsed.

And now, with the "dream team" of a GOP White House, Senate and House, you'll see what happens. Last time we had such a "dream Team" was right before the "The Great Recession"....and the time before that was right before "The Great Depression"...Third time's a charm, right?
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There will be a court of inquiry and if the Harbor Master was on board like he should have been then he has the responsibility for not grounding the ship. Hydraulic oil and bent screws sounds like aftersteering where I stood many watches when a young sailor. Aftersteering is where the rudder hydraulic pumps are. I bet when the ship grounded and bridge lost control, the order to aftersteering was aftersteering take control.
Why the fuck would the harbour master be on board? Do you mean the pilot?
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