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Old September 6th, 2017, 11:24 PM   #51
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I wish Rand was more of a chip off the old block...instead of trying to triangulate his way to presidential nominee!
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You know what is an even better solution? Fixing Mexico, that isn't going to happen any time soon.
My solutions for 'fixing' Mexico are:
1. end the NAFTA provisions that took away Mexico's capability to protect its own small-holder farms by flooding the market with Big Ag's cheap, mass produced corn, soy and wheat imports that drove millions of Mexicans off the land and crossing the US border in search of low-paying jobs.
2. end the drug war...just like Ron Paul says! What he can't say is that whole global drug trafficking operations go on with the approval of the CIA and US law enforcement...which take their cut on the profits....that's mostly why it's so hard to end these drug wars which have destroyed life in Mexico, Central Amercia and Columbia.
3. stop allowing the CIA and State Dept to instigate military coups against democratically elected governments in Latin America and elsewhere that the US doesn't consider "business-friendly."

for the past 8 years, Republicans have been Hillary Clinton's best friends, because they've been too afraid to critique or even mention the coup she ordered and supervised while heading Obama's State Dept. against Manuel Zelaya in Honduras back in 09. The murderous military regime she supported in Honduras sent out army death squads to kill labor leaders and break strikes against mining operations and big foreign plantation owners, unleashing a reign of terror that motivated thousands of Honduran families to pay to send their children through Mexico to try to cross the US border.

At the height of the Central American refugee crisis, 60% of the border crossers were from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. How did the Obama regime respond...you might ask...by giving the Mexican Government millions of dollars to secure their border with Guatemala with barbed wire fencing and armed guards. But aside from a scant few left and labor news sites, how many other Americans were even aware this was going on?

But, you want to fix Mexico, start with those three and Mexico will do just fine!
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Old September 7th, 2017, 07:28 AM   #53
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Progs will never vote to stop welfare benefits to illegals. And SCOTUS, thanks to Progs, insists that children of illegals get public schooling. I can see Schumer crying now. So while it may be a "better" solution, it cannot be worked now, so either the wall or the same as we've been doing for decades. We cannot continue the same.

And I expect President Trump to enforce all the laws already on the books, once the slimy Democrats get around to showing up at the Judiciary Committee so a vote can be held to send Jeff Sessions to a floor vote and approval as AG.


The right is too quick to blame the left when the right should man up and accept responsibility.

If you go back twenty years ago, a movement(for lack of a more descriptive adjective) existed. They were attacking the 16th Amendment (the income tax), which is a plank out of the Communist Manifesto. They also fought against National ID; they opposed a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT; they stood on private property and dared the government to abuse the eminent domain statutes. Had they prevailed, there would be NO federal Dept. of Education and virtually all welfare would be handled by the states.

On every one of those points, the right made a hard left in order to fight this idiotic war against so - called "illegal immigrants."

The right pushed the National ID / REAL ID Act on the pretext that they were fighting "illegal immigration." That derailed the winning strategies that were in place to fight the communist inspired 16th Amendment - the right demanded National ID predicated on your Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, "Social Security Number." It was the right in favor of continuing an income tax based upon the Communist Manifesto.

In 1997, Richard Mack and other LEOs went to court and won in the United States Supreme Court. At issue was whether or not local sheriffs were required to enforce federal statutes - in this case gun control. The Court concluded that allowing the Federal government to draft the police officers of the 50 states into its service would increase its powers far beyond what the Constitution intends. The United States Supreme Court ruled that "Rejecting the Governments argument, the Court held that the Tenth Amendment categorically forbids the Federal Government from commanding state officials directly." (Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997) )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printz_v._United_States

The right is having a hissy fit because that decision prevents the feds from ordering local LEOs to enforce federal statutes regarding sanctuary cities

The right totally ignores the fact that a wall would threaten the private property Rights of American citizens. As a matter of fact, the way the whole issue regarding so - called "illegal immigration" evolved is when the very question of private property rights came into play. And again, the right threw in the towel, refused to challenge convictions of their own people on the basis of private property rights. The solutions of the right have included, but not limited to:

Promoting a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT

Creation of National ID

Creation of POLICE STATE agencies at the tune of TRILLIONS of tax dollars

Nullifying the Fourth Amendment (among others)

Abolishing the concept of innocent until proven guilty

Assaulting and even eliminating private property Rights

OMG. The list could go on and on. Needless to say, the wall idea is nutty beyond words and there needs to be a better solution. I think Ron Paul is wrong on this one and I've offered far better solutions.... solutions that don't require multi billion dollar agencies that impose upon your constitutional Rights; solutions that don't weaken the Constitution; solutions that will NOT turn America into a POLICE STATE.
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[QUOTE=RNG;1038398]Shouldn't that be

Well yes, it is the elitist, snowflake, butthurt, statist, commie establishment, aka, the Democratic Party? The nonstop whining and spinning is reaching a crescendo of hilarious proportions.
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Shouldn't that be

Well yes, it is the elitist, snowflake, butthurt, statist, commie establishment, aka, the Democratic Party? The nonstop whining and spinning is reaching a crescendo of hilarious proportions.
Non stop whining?

You want to accuse someone of non stop whining???

Are you even paying attention to Trump????
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The Mexican government may be corrupt but, they're not inept. The Mexican government has long use the U.S. as its dumping field for unwanted Mexican citizens. The only ineptness I see is our own Federal government. And that selective-ineptness is there for a purpose.
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Not our job to fix Mexico. *shrug*
Then it isn't our job to carry their failures for them.

When was the last time the USA overthrew a Latin American regime? Like 1990 something? Mexico's problems are Mexico's doing.

NAFTA is against the workers on both sides of the border, it should be done away with.

The war on drugs is a problem but it won't actually end these cartels. The cartel disease is ingrained in Mexican society and culture itself. So long as Mexico has such high poverty and so long as they keep electing corrupt elites, then the problem will never be resolved since drugs will always turn a profit. If they couldn't sell drugs they would traffic guns instead, if they could not sell their guns they would go into Human trafficking, etc etc etc.

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Then it isn't our job to carry their failures for them.
How much of "their failures" are a direct product of US foreign policy. Set aside that you stole half the land in Mexico in 1848! You think the drugs, money and guns criss-crossing international borders goes on without any input or interference from the CIA and other US agencies acting abroad?

From 2009 article -
Destabilizing Mexico | Global Research
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Who benefits from the destabilization of Mexico ?


KNX News radio station a subsidiary of Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS) reported this week that most of the guns that land in the hands of the drug cartel allegedly came from the black market in the United States . Ironically, most of the drugs that enter the United States from Mexico , have been funneled to the Mexican drug lords through rendition flights from Columbia (cocaine) and Afghanistan (opium) to Mexico , then, rerouted to the US through the Mexican drug lords. Per example, On September 24, 2007, a Florida based Gulfstream II jet aircraft, number N987SA, crashed in the Yucatan . As it turns out, not only was the plane used on at least three CIA rendition flights from Europe and the United States to the Guantánamo torture chamber, but it was loaded with tons of cocaine when it went down. El Nuevo Herald reported that the CIA plane was loaded up with 3.3 tons of coke in Medellín, Colombia, and was used to ferry “hundreds of delinquents,” including alleged members of the Taliban, to Cuba for water boarding and other specialties. [10]. (You can also see video of crash on youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oszATUJ4IRE)

Historically, most of the illegal activities especially in drugs and human trafficking, originate in the poorer and the less developed areas of the world, then, moves across borders to rich, developed country markets. In order for this process to take place, criminal organizations are fostered, subsidized, and protected by high level government officials, in order to launder money throughout the international banking systems and to increase the global cash flow. The IMF has reported in 2003, that 1.5 trillion US dollars a year is laundered through banks, where 500 to 600 billion dollars of that money is from drug trade and the aggregate size of money laundering in the world could be somewhere between 2 to 5 percent of the world’s GDP. It has also been a well known and documented fact in the press and in congressional records that the US intelligence agencies have dealt and circulated drugs in the US and abroad for many years.

So, is there a connection between our global policies and the destabilization of Mexico?
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When was the last time the USA overthrew a Latin American regime? Like 1990 something? Mexico's problems are Mexico's doing.
You really need to do some reading if you're going to pontificate about what's wrong with other countries! Many common people who've come from Latin America know much of how this game has been played!

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NAFTA is against the workers on both sides of the border, it should be done away with.
But it's still there! And you're blaming Mexicans forced off their land for trying to get into the country that engineered the damn scheme to start with!

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The war on drugs is a problem but it won't actually end these cartels. The cartel disease is ingrained in Mexican society and culture itself. So long as Mexico has such high poverty and so long as they keep electing corrupt elites, then the problem will never be resolved since drugs will always turn a profit. If they couldn't sell drugs they would traffic guns instead, if they could not sell their guns they would go into Human trafficking, etc etc etc.
Mexico has drug cartels, the US traffick's firearms...where do you think the guns come from that are used by the drug cartels?

after a laundrylist of examples of collusion between drug cartels, international banks, federal agencies etc. the conclusion of:
Partners in Crime: The U.S. Secret State and Mexico’s “War on Drugs” | Global Research
The Grim Road Ahead

It should be clear: the “War on Drugs” like the “War on Terror” is a colossal, multibillion dollar fraud perpetrated on the American people.

North Americans consume drugs and line the pockets of state-connected killers; Latin Americans do the dying. Low-level dealers and the poor who buy their illicit products are rewarded with wrecked lives, devastated communities and one-way tickets to prison.

U.S. banking and financial elites reap whirlwind profits and are handed virtual get-out-of-jail-free cards by federal prosecutors and courts that levy fines regarded as little more than chump change by the banks. The CIA and their far-flung network of private contractors siphon-off illegal proceeds from the grim trade laundered through U.S. and European financial institutions.

The U.S. secret state, seeking geopolitical advantage over their imperialist rivals deploy drug mafias and right-wing terrorists as plausibly deniable intelligence assets, just as they have for decades.

Congressional banking and intelligence probes are killed. Black operations in areas of strategic interest to U.S. policy planners spread death and destruction, particularly where rich petrochemical and mineral reserves owned by other people are lusted after by American multinationals.

Corporate media collaborate in this charade; pointing the finger at black and brown citizens, white elites on both sides of the border escape scrutiny. It is far easier to demonize black and brown youth as “predators” than to take a hard look in the mirror at a ruling class that are the real American drug lords.

And still we wonder why Mexico is slowly transformed into a killing field.
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Then why do brown citizens in Mexico keep electing corrupt white elites? Answer me that one professor.

You forgot about the part where Mexico has been destabilized since it gained independence in 1821. As well as the part where Texas and California tried to secede from Mexico before America annexed them. Not to mention the part where Mexico started the 1847 war by attacking American forts along the Nueces River. How about the part where Porfirio Diaz, president of Mexico for decades, forced countless peasants and Indios into serfdom.

But even if anything you posted is true, that doesn't mean the roots of those problems did not start in those countries and that the CIA only took advantage of it. Corrupt officials are not representative of the citizens in an entire country.

Finally I will conclude by saying that you act as if the people committing the crimes did not make the choice to do so. No one forced El Chapo to become a drug lord, he wanted to be rich so he made the decision. People working for El Chapo and Pablo Escobar wanted money so they joined them. Your taking autonomy away from "black and brown youth" is actually very discriminatory because it indicates that you cannot see them as autonomous or intelligent human beings, capable of making their own decisions. The CIA did not force them to sell drugs and commit crimes, they chose to do so despite or in-spite of any intervention from any authority. That is not to say that the Deep State is not corrupt but you are coming to the wrong conclusions and drawing from misinformation with regards to Hispanic society.

For your information I'm not American either and am actually a Spanish person.

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