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I don't understand what point the progressives are trying to make here... That crops are dying on the vine because there is a shortage in illegal labor? Is that really what they are trying to say? So on one hand they bitch and moan about some sort do fictitious "living wage" and on the other they cry about dying fruit because the farmers figured out that they are better off financially to let it rot than pay someone to pick them...so we need more illegal labor in the states? Does this sound completely retarded to anyone else? |
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Isn't that par for the course with progressives (actually they are regressives, but that is another story). A few that post here are probably late 60's, or even in their 70's, and heaped up on meds of all kinds. | |
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I just refuse to call them "liberals" when possible. I find it offensive to anyone who actually understands the term. | |
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I am from Memphis, Tennessee, born and raised there. Before 1990, Mexicans and Hispanics were an oddity there. Hell, even a lot of Mexican restaurants were not owned or ran by Hispanics. I went to a high school of 2000 students which had one Mexican family, but they were upper middle class wealthy which were considered "white" by the rest of us. Now, Memphis is surrounded by farmland and rural country with crops, but again, never saw any Mexicans. I noticed a few of them starting in the 1990's working in Mississippi, the average looking, working class Hispanics in the casino where I worked. I went away in 2001 and came back in 2015 and was just shocked about how many Hispanic people there are in Memphis. They have carved out neighborhoods in working class white and black areas of the city, there are lots of Hispanic supermarkets, those restaurant trailers, and in my parent's suburb (Germantown) is nothing but Mexican or Hispanic gardeners. But it made me think, what do all these people do for a living? Memphis sucks to make a living, in one of the poorest areas of the United States. There is some construction, but not that much I have seen. There are only so many upper class yards to mow, and you can only sell so much food to the Gringos. I am not doubting the Hispanic's intelligence and many break out and be professionals. But my city has had well over 150 years of just whites and blacks, with the blacks of course getting the short end of the stick, but there are a lot of poor whites. So when another group comes, especially one which doesn't speak English as a first language with a foreign culture, there has to be some animosity. I would think one way to scare off people from hiring illegals is to charge them with tax fraud since they cannot tax the income of someone who should not be here in the first place. What about social security withholdings? In the USA, you MUST have a Social Security Number to work. Why doesn't ICE just hang out in front of the Home Depot? Not to catch the Mexicans, but the contractors and people who hire them and not pay the taxes. America has a huge government which must have money to live and money comes from taxes. I personally believe borders should be erased and just allow these people to come here and do "jobs Americans won't do"., let them work and live under our laws and don't screw with them. The government should allow people guest worker status to do this work, and for the farmers to provide decent lodgings, and decent pay for the work they do, whatever the prevailing wage is. |
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Did you just invent one? You'll be a rich guy. | |
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If the farmer is willing to give them $50 a day plus room and board thru harvest and they are happy to do it I do not see the problem, all tax issues aside. | |
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Well, of course!! Harvesting machines!! Why didn't anyone else think of that? I don't suppose it occurred to you that there are crops that still need to be harvested by hand? Peppers, cherries, apples, asparagus, peaches...to name a few. Many fruit, vegetable and nut farmers still rely heavily on people to plant, maintain and harvest their crops. Machines don't yet exist for these crops because there have been ample people to do the work, and because it's hard to design machines that can cut or pick the fruit or vegetables without squishing or damaging them too much. So I suppose the push will begin to create and market more machinery/robots to replace humans. Having said that, it doesn't help our farmers TODAY or next year or the year after. The point is this. Americans don't want the jobs--as many have said for decades. Illegals who DO want the jobs are disappearing. There are countless articles posted on this subject. From the WSJ: On U.S. Farms, Fewer Hands for the Harvest. Producers raise wages, enhance benefits, but a worker shortage grows with tighter border. LA Times: Wages rise. Americans don't want the jobs. NPR: Labor Intensive Crops NYTimes: CA Farmers Backed Trump Now losing Field Workers Bottom line (any way you spin it) farmers are ultimately the biggest losers but labor shortages will create food shortages, increase imports, and raise prices for all. | |
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