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Old July 14th, 2017, 05:23 AM   #21
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Wow, sounds like there is an issue w/ the minimum wage or something.


I know...let's make it $30k a year. That should solve this terrible problem.


I can see no negative backlash w/ that. I love $20 strawberries.


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Gee, I dont know. Seems like Strawberries are not showing any ill affects of Trump. Then again, maybe I should see if there is a Russian strain of Strawberries. Sheeple will believe anything.
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Trump is having ill effects on snowflakes.

The sheeple actually believe that Trump is a fascist.
Caconservative suggested using strawberry-picking machines, so please, will you three members of DTT's Brain Trust share with everyone some more creative solutions for a lack of agricultural workers, and the crops rotting in the fields?
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Old July 14th, 2017, 06:50 AM   #22
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Harvesting machines for strawberries or blueberries or tomatoes?

Did you just invent one? You'll be a rich guy.
Come to Central Valley CA. and watch tomato, onion, and garlic harvesting machines in actions. Other machine that harvest prunes, walnuts, etc., can also be seen doing their job. The number of fruits and vegetables than need to picked by hand is minimal. And only minimal because those machines are very expensive and require horticulture changes that would allow those machines to be affective. Much like we've seen with the "minimum-wage" fiasco, farmers will make the changes in order to stay in business.
This state is flooded with food-stamp and welfare recipients who are using and abusing the system. How about putting them to work?
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Old July 14th, 2017, 06:55 AM   #23
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I don't understand what point the progressives are trying to make here...


That crops are dying on the vine because there is a shortage in illegal labor?


Is that really what they are trying to say?


So on one hand they bitch and moan about some sort do fictitious "living wage" and on the other they cry about dying fruit because the farmers figured out that they are better off financially to let it rot than pay someone to pick them...so we need more illegal labor in the states?


Does this sound completely retarded to anyone else?
If you live in CA. and have grown up watching this mess, it certainly is retarded.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 06:57 AM   #24
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Would that be first, second, or third bases?
He's still at home plate trying to hit a ball. Allot of strikes, no hits.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 06:58 AM   #25
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Most of the migrant farm labor is paid LESS than minimum wage !!! As for those $20 strawberries someone did a study a few years ago and found that bumping the migrants up to min wage would raise the cost of a head of lettuce by a whopping 5 CENTS.

If ADM and ConAg that owns most of these large farms actually paid a decent wage I'm sure they'd have little trouble finding labor. I'm willing to pay a few cents more for my green beans and lettuce knowing that they were harvested by AMERICANS that were being paid a decent wage for what is very hard, back breaking, work.

I'm all for solving the illegal problem. Killing the EXEMPTION that allows the agriculture industry to pay less than min wage to the migrants is step one.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 07:16 AM   #26
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Well, of course!! Harvesting machines!! Why didn't anyone else think of that?

I don't suppose it occurred to you that there are crops that still need to be harvested by hand? Peppers, cherries, apples, asparagus, peaches...to name a few. Many fruit, vegetable and nut farmers still rely heavily on people to plant, maintain and harvest their crops. Machines don't yet exist for these crops because there have been ample people to do the work, and because it's hard to design machines that can cut or pick the fruit or vegetables without squishing or damaging them too much.

So I suppose the push will begin to create and market more machinery/robots to replace humans. Having said that, it doesn't help our farmers TODAY or next year or the year after.

The point is this. Americans don't want the jobs--as many have said for decades. Illegals who DO want the jobs are disappearing. There are countless articles posted on this subject. From the WSJ: On U.S. Farms, Fewer Hands for the Harvest. Producers raise wages, enhance benefits, but a worker shortage grows with tighter border.
LA Times: Wages rise. Americans don't want the jobs.
NPR: Labor Intensive Crops
NYTimes: CA Farmers Backed Trump Now losing Field Workers

Bottom line (any way you spin it) farmers are ultimately the biggest losers but labor shortages will create food shortages, increase imports, and raise prices for all.
CA. just suffered through a six year drought. Farmers were harvesting little to nothing. Many lost their farms. Did you see a reduction of fruits and vegetables at the store level?
"LA Times: Wages rise. Americans don't want the jobs".
Apparently, illegal aliens don't want them either. Not when they can force the taxpayers to subsidize them. The answer is modern industrialized machinery to alleviate the need for so much labor. You can hardly find a business in CA. that doesn't use cheap illegal alien labor. Why would an illegal alien consider stoop-labor when they can make more money in so many other businesses? It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out that the dog is biting it's own tale. Those business who thought they were skinning a fat-cat' saving labor costs, are now in direct competition with the very same illegal aliens they trained. I have no sympathy for them!
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Most of the migrant farm labor is paid LESS than minimum wage !!! As for those $20 strawberries someone did a study a few years ago and found that bumping the migrants up to min wage would raise the cost of a head of lettuce by a whopping 5 CENTS.

If ADM and ConAg that owns most of these large farms actually paid a decent wage I'm sure they'd have little trouble finding labor. I'm willing to pay a few cents more for my green beans and lettuce knowing that they were harvested by AMERICANS that were being paid a decent wage for what is very hard, back breaking, work.

I'm all for solving the illegal problem. Killing the EXEMPTION that allows the agriculture industry to pay less than min wage to the migrants is step one.
Bravo Bravo Bravo!!!

I feel EXACTLY the same way.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 07:32 AM   #28
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Most of the migrant farm labor is paid LESS than minimum wage !!! As for those $20 strawberries someone did a study a few years ago and found that bumping the migrants up to min wage would raise the cost of a head of lettuce by a whopping 5 CENTS.

If ADM and ConAg that owns most of these large farms actually paid a decent wage I'm sure they'd have little trouble finding labor. I'm willing to pay a few cents more for my green beans and lettuce knowing that they were harvested by AMERICANS that were being paid a decent wage for what is very hard, back breaking, work.

I'm all for solving the illegal problem. Killing the EXEMPTION that allows the agriculture industry to pay less than min wage to the migrants is step one.
I'm onboard with your reasoning. Strictly enforced, time sensitive, agricultural visa's should also be obtainable. Stoop-labor is backbreaking work. I know, I did it when I was a kid. The people doing that work earn every cent they make. Up until the last few years the farmers could rely on a constant stream of CA. protected illegal alien workforce. Which allowed the farmers to take advantage of the situation. If they didn't want to work for the miserable wages they were being paid, five more illegals were standing in line to take their place.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 07:34 AM   #29
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Come to Central Valley CA. and watch tomato, onion, and garlic harvesting machines in actions. Other machine that harvest prunes, walnuts, etc., can also be seen doing their job. The number of fruits and vegetables than need to picked by hand is minimal. And only minimal because those machines are very expensive and require horticulture changes that would allow those machines to be affective. Much like we've seen with the "minimum-wage" fiasco, farmers will make the changes in order to stay in business.
This state is flooded with food-stamp and welfare recipients who are using and abusing the system. How about putting them to work?
Sauce tomatoes, perfectly tasteless but capable of being machine harvested. That is not progress, imo.

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At least 20 – 25 percent of the United States’ veg*etable acreage and 40 – 45 per*cent of the fruit acreage is totally depen*dent on hand harvesting.

These crops reppesent about 30 percent of the U.S. fruit, nut, and vegetable acreage and have an annual value of over $13 billion. The amount of labor needed for harvesting is often well over 50 percent of the total annual farm labor requirement.

Mechanization has made the farming of many crops — lettuce and tomatoes among them — a lot less labor intensive. Some crops are still tended to and harvested by hand, and it can be painstaking work.

Humans, over machines, can accurately determine product quality, allowing accurate selection of mature product. This is particularly important for crops that have a wide range of maturity and need to be harvested several times during the season.

Properly trained workers can pick and handle the product with a minimal amount of damage. Many fresh market products have a short shelf life, espe*cially if they are bruised or risk dam*age dur*ing har*vest and handling....

Fruit crops that could use some labor aids: apples, apricots, avocados, cantaloupe, cherries, grapes, kiwifruit, nectarines, olives, peaches, plums, pears, all citrus, blueberries, strawberries and watermelon.

On the vegetable side of labor intense crops: asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower, eggplant, fresh market cucumbers, tomatoes, sweet peppers, snap beans, lettuce, and squash. As new labor efficient production and harvesting technologies are developed, we are acutely aware of the real people, “hands-​on” farming needs.
https://www.generalproduce.com/news/...79-hand-picked
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Old July 14th, 2017, 07:37 AM   #30
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Please list your source that informed you that the farmers figured out they are better off financially to let crops rot than pay someone to pick them.

And please, no fake news sources.
No source. Just logic.
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