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Old July 14th, 2017, 07:39 AM   #31
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Caconservative suggested using strawberry-picking machines, so please, will you three members of DTT's Brain Trust share with everyone some more creative solutions for a lack of agricultural workers, and the crops rotting in the fields?
I already did. Remove the minimum wage laws.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 07:51 AM   #32
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Sauce tomatoes, perfectly tasteless but capable of being machine harvested. That is not progress, imo.



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As horticulture improves, so will the fruit and vegetables being harvested by machinery. The point is, farmers switched to machine harvesting to cut their labor costs and keep the price of fruits and vegetable down. Now, only 2% of our labor needs are in agriculture. That is do to better horticulture, and improved harvesting machines. In order for the American farmers to compete globally against cheap foreign labor they must modernize.
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This was so predictable.

Last year marked the fifth consecutive year Santa Barbara County’s agriculture industry has struggled with labor shortages, which have ranged from 15 to 26 percent. Farmers, therefore, must leave crops to rot in the fields. An estimated $13 million of strawberries, broccoli, leafy greens, and other unharvested produce were plowed under last year, up from five years ago when losses amounted to an estimated $4.4 million, according to the region’s Grower-Shipper Association.

Strawberries are just one small piece of the labor shortage. In the last decade, according to the Pew Research Center, more Mexican immigrants have been leaving the United States than have been arriving. As Mexico’s economy improves and becomes less reliant on agriculture, Mexicans are having fewer children and “feeling less the push to migrate north,” said Lucas Zucker of CAUSE (Central Coast Alliance United for a Sustainable Economy).

Security has also tightened along the southern border. The Obama administration deported about three million undocumented immigrants between 2009 and 2016, according to Pew, many more than the two million the Bush administration deported during the eight years prior.

Labor Shortage Leaves $13 Million in Crops to Rot in Fields

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In the spring of 2011, Georgia’s fruit and vegetable growers faced a crippling drought. But it wasn’t for lack of rain; rather, their supply of farmworkers had dried up almost overnight. Typically, migrant pickers made their way north from Florida’s winter tomato fields into Georgia to harvest its Vidalia onions, bell peppers, and blueberries. But that year, “they just didn’t come,” says Charles Hall, executive director of the Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association. The pickers avoided the state, leaving “crops in the field rotting.”

What happened? Just after taking office that winter, Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal signed a bill that, he vowed, would “crack down on the influx of illegal immigrants into our state.” Known in civil-liberties circles as Georgia’s racial-profiling law, House Bill 87 encouraged local police officers to check the immigration status of anyone suspected of violating any regulation, including traffic rules, and imposed harsh penalties on anyone caught “harboring an illegal alien.” The governor probably didn’t intend for his signature immigration law to cost his state’s farm sector loads of cash. But his timing couldn’t have been worse.
A shortfall of 11,000 workers—representing about 85 percent of peak employment—caused $75 million in crop losses that spring alone, with a total hit to the state economy of $103.6 million that season, according to a study by the University of Georgia. Neighboring Alabama passed an even more draconian law later that year, spurring its immigrant farmworkers to exit en masse and costing the state up to 6 percent of its gross domestic product.
Now, the entire country is governed by a chief executive who vows to make life miserable for undocumented immigrants. Pursuing what might be called his “bad hombre” theory, President Donald Trump swiftly made good on promises to ramp up deportations after taking office.

Just as in Georgia, the rest of the nation’s farms lean heavily on the very group of people targeted by the president. According to the American Farm Bureau Federation, the US harvest requires between 1.5 million and 2.2 million workers annually—and at least half of them are undocumented.

Trump?s Crackdown on Immigration Is Terrible News for Anyone Who Eats Food ? Mother Jones
Take a hard look at the grain fields around me, large areas of standing water killing the soybean and corn plants. If this keeps up I suggest we grow rice and name it Ohio Organic Non-GMO Rice and sell it to Japan for a premium price. Japan is already over here buying organic non-GMO soybeans at a premium price.

edit: find a niche and exploit is the best business model
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Old July 14th, 2017, 08:44 AM   #34
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I'm onboard with your reasoning. Strictly enforced, time sensitive, agricultural visa's should also be obtainable. Stoop-labor is backbreaking work. I know, I did it when I was a kid. The people doing that work earn every cent they make. Up until the last few years the farmers could rely on a constant stream of CA. protected illegal alien workforce. Which allowed the farmers to take advantage of the situation. If they didn't want to work for the miserable wages they were being paid, five more illegals were standing in line to take their place.

Not to argue, but my point was, it's not just the illegals. The whole program is essentially slave labor as most of the migrant harvesters are EXEMPT from min wage and over time rules. Even if they are here legally they get seriously screwed by the farm industry. Since the farm industry is now mostly corporate run, this is huge corporations taking serious advantage of the poorest people. Of course it will never change since we live in a corporatocrisy and the very companies that benefit from this slave labor are the same people with the most influence over our government.
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Old July 14th, 2017, 08:59 AM   #35
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CA. just suffered through a six year drought. Farmers were harvesting little to nothing. Many lost their farms. Did you see a reduction of fruits and vegetables at the store level?
"LA Times: Wages rise. Americans don't want the jobs".
Apparently, illegal aliens don't want them either. Not when they can force the taxpayers to subsidize them. The answer is modern industrialized machinery to alleviate the need for so much labor. You can hardly find a business in CA. that doesn't use cheap illegal alien labor. Why would an illegal alien consider stoop-labor when they can make more money in so many other businesses? It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out that the dog is biting it's own tale. Those business who thought they were skinning a fat-cat' saving labor costs, are now in direct competition with the very same illegal aliens they trained. I have no sympathy for them!
We saw a hell of a price increase. But the good news was a lot of trade arrangements were made with Peru and Chile to replace the California produce.
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Sauce tomatoes, perfectly tasteless but capable of being machine harvested. That is not progress, imo.



https://www.generalproduce.com/news/...79-hand-picked
Below a Youtube video of tomatoes being harvested by machine:

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A tomato harvesting operation in Hawkes Bay, New Zealand. The tomato plants are especially grown for processing and machine harvesting. Tomatoes go directly to factory for processing into sauces and tomato pulp products.
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Please list your source that informed you that the farmers figured out they are better off financially to let crops rot than pay someone to pick them.

And please, no fake news sources.
Shouldnt you be asking Clara that?
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Caconservative suggested using strawberry-picking machines, so please, will you three members of DTT's Brain Trust share with everyone some more creative solutions for a lack of agricultural workers, and the crops rotting in the fields?
Sure. Its hyperbole. There is no mass amount of crops rotting in the fields.
As far as the machine
http://www.agrobot.com/
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Farmers are an ornery bunch. A friend of mine could not get the price he wanted for his his hay and burned it up rather than selling lower than production cost which I thought stupider than hell.

edit: Good news, SSA is raising SS retirement benefits and reducing SSI benefits on 1 Jan 18 and we who worked and paid into it get a 2.2% raise when we did not a raise for the past two years and slackers get kicked to the curb, bullet in flight.

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Old July 14th, 2017, 11:21 AM   #40
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We saw a hell of a price increase. But the good news was a lot of trade arrangements were made with Peru and Chile to replace the California produce.
CA. saw some price increases but nothing that would stop you from buying produce. CA. biggest problem is water. We have periodic droughts that last for years. But for some odd reason the State government decided on not building additional Dams and reservoirs. Probably for the same reason we have the worst roads in the U.S.? Where are our tax-dollars going? The answer to that is not hard to figure out.
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