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Old January 27th, 2018, 12:50 PM   #1
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DACA and the federal shutdown

DACA and the federal shutdown:

Regardless of Democrat's motives for paying the ransom, they couldn't ignore Republicans' real threat to Children’s Health Insurance programs (CHIPs).

Powerful segments within the Republican Party would choose to undermine or eliminate ANY federal social programs without regard for human consequences. Six years of more substantial shielding for CHIPs in exchange for three weeks extension of federal budget funding was certainly a humane and a politically preferable decision. Republicans selected an excellent hostage.

President Trump (unjustifiably) boasts of being an able negotiator, but he has again demonstrated that his promises are worthless unless additionally co-signed by other responsible parties. Democrats correctly withdrew their offer not to oppose the funding of Trump's Mexican wall.

I had hoped the Democrats would stand firm at least upon DACA issue. Until DACA's resolved, let Republicans unilaterally re-open the federal government. If DACA is not satisfactorily resolved, Democrats should continue holding out for a substantially increased minimum wage rate pegged to the urban consumer price index. But that doesn't seem to be happening.

Democrats enabling Republicans without immediate resolution for families affected by the termination of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (i.e. DACA) program will be acting inhumanely and to their party's net disadvantage in 2018 and increasingly more so in 2020 and 2024 elections.

In 1959, after my 4 years of military service, I registered as a Democratic voter. Since then I voted in all general and most primary elections. In 2010, due to Obama's continuing attempts to placate Republicans, I transferred to a 3d party. I refrain from moving a Democratic election lever. I'm a proponent of the FDR and Truman's populist concepts.


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Old January 27th, 2018, 01:43 PM   #2
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I'm pretty pleased with the Democratic Party right now. All HAIL, Chuck Schumer!!

This whole DACA deal is a dream come true for Dems.
*Trump's offer massively expands the number of so-called Dreamers who will get amnesty and citizenship, while Teddy the Cruzer displays apoplexy...and that's every Democrat's dream. Team Schumer would have been delighted with 800,000 but Prez Unpredictable offered 1.8 mill. We'll TAKE it and run.
* By taking the deal the Left would almost instantly guarantee a further rift in the GOP, prompting the name "Amnesty Don". We'll take that too.
* And what do Dems have to do to get what we want?? Give Donny the money for the wall. That's it....but Senator Chuck will reel in Trump slowly--playing hard to get.
* Chain migration?? If we're lucky, it will continue at the same pace as the backlog will take years to process. In other words, chain migration may end in several years only if future presidents and Congress don't revive it. That's a win today for Democrats with plenty of time to avoid a loss tomorrow.
*Mid-terms are just around the corner. Dems will make the GOP the bad guys re DACA. Dems will push the Russia investigation. Meanwhile, the House Republicans exodus continues. Including those members who are leaving to run for another office, there will be 15 open House seats vacated by Democrats and 33 for Republicans. Democratic victories last November in gubernatorial and state legislative races in Virginia and New Jersey could spur more retirements among Republicans worried about the national political environment under Trump.
Things are definitely looking up.
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I'm pretty pleased with the Democratic Party right now. All HAIL, Chuck Schumer!!

This whole DACA deal is a dream come true for Dems.
*Trump's offer massively expands the number of so-called Dreamers who will get amnesty and citizenship, while Teddy the Cruzer displays apoplexy...and that's every Democrat's dream. Team Schumer would have been delighted with 800,000 but Prez Unpredictable offered 1.8 mill. We'll TAKE it and run.
* By taking the deal the Left would almost instantly guarantee a further rift in the GOP, prompting the name "Amnesty Don". We'll take that too.
* And what do Dems have to do to get what we want?? Give Donny the money for the wall. That's it....but Senator Chuck will reel in Trump slowly--playing hard to get.
* Chain migration?? If we're lucky, it will continue at the same pace as the backlog will take years to process. In other words, chain migration may end in several years only if future presidents and Congress don't revive it. That's a win today for Democrats with plenty of time to avoid a loss tomorrow.
*Mid-terms are just around the corner. Dems will make the GOP the bad guys re DACA. Dems will push the Russia investigation. Meanwhile, the House Republicans exodus continues. Including those members who are leaving to run for another office, there will be 15 open House seats vacated by Democrats and 33 for Republicans. Democratic victories last November in gubernatorial and state legislative races in Virginia and New Jersey could spur more retirements among Republicans worried about the national political environment under Trump.
Things are definitely looking up.
Just to be clear, you support chain immigration?


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Old January 27th, 2018, 03:17 PM   #4
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Just to be clear, you support chain immigration?


Sorry IF I scared you, Sabcat. LOL

You mean....allowing American citizens to reunite with their closest family members, a premise that dates back to a 1965 civil rights-focused law that established family reunification rather than racially based quotas as the basis for immigration to the United States??

WHY YES! I do.
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Old January 27th, 2018, 03:24 PM   #5
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Sorry IF I scared you, Sabcat. LOL

You mean....allowing American citizens to reunite with their closest family members, a premise that dates back to a 1965 civil rights-focused law that established family reunification rather than racially based quotas as the basis for immigration to the United States??

WHY YES! I do.
So if Sally gains citizenship tomorrow she can call her family, let them know and then they should be granted citizenship because Sally was?
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So if Sally gains citizenship tomorrow she can call her family, let them know and then they should be granted citizenship because Sally was?
You left something off about Sally entering the country illegally.
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So if Sally gains citizenship tomorrow she can call her family, let them know and then they should be granted citizenship because Sally was?


Asked and ANSWERED.
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So if Sally gains citizenship tomorrow she can call her family, let them know and then they should be granted citizenship because Sally was?
a good analogy would be this:

Lets say you own a big piece of property. On day a family sets up a tent on the back forty. One child in the family is a minor age 17. You call the police and before the police arrive the 17 year old has a birthday and is now an adult. The police come to remove the squatters. the now 18 year old says his parents brought him there and that he has a right to be there.

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Does the 18 year old now own part of your property?

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DACA and the federal shutdown:

Regardless of Democrat's motives for paying the ransom, they couldn't ignore Republicans' real threat to Children’s Health Insurance programs (CHIPs).

Powerful segments within the Republican Party would choose to undermine or eliminate ANY federal social programs without regard for human consequences. Six years of more substantial shielding for CHIPs in exchange for three weeks extension of federal budget funding was certainly a humane and a politically preferable decision. Republicans selected an excellent hostage.

President Trump (unjustifiably) boasts of being an able negotiator, but he has again demonstrated that his promises are worthless unless additionally co-signed by other responsible parties. Democrats correctly withdrew their offer not to oppose the funding of Trump's Mexican wall.

I had hoped the Democrats would stand firm at least upon DACA issue. Until DACA's resolved, let Republicans unilaterally re-open the federal government. If DACA is not satisfactorily resolved, Democrats should continue holding out for a substantially increased minimum wage rate pegged to the urban consumer price index. But that doesn't seem to be happening.

Democrats enabling Republicans without immediate resolution for families affected by the termination of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (i.e. DACA) program will be acting inhumanely and to their party's net disadvantage in 2018 and increasingly more so in 2020 and 2024 elections.

In 1959, after my 4 years of military service, I registered as a Democratic voter. Since then I voted in all general and most primary elections. In 2010, due to Obama's continuing attempts to placate Republicans, I transferred to a 3d party. I refrain from moving a Democratic election lever. I'm a proponent of the FDR and Truman's populist concepts.


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If the brats were born on US soil that makes them US citizens by birthright. If the brats were born on Mexican soil that makes them Mexicans by birthright.
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