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Old May 6th, 2017, 06:40 AM   #411
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yeni, whoever brainwashed you did an excellent job!
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Old May 6th, 2017, 07:07 AM   #412
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right. we know the quran is true, because the quran says its true.

you are so stupid you dont realise how stupid you are.
What a coincidence, we know the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 03:56 PM   #413
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What a coincidence, we know the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true.
yes, there are morons who make that claim.

but this thread is about islam, lets stick to topic.
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Indeed, Allah confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels [ask Him to do so]. O you who have believed, ask [ Allah to confer] blessing upon him and ask [ Allah to grant him] peace.

[5.99] Nothing is (incumbent) on the messenger but to deliver (the message), and Allah knows what you do openly and what you hide.

[29.18] And if you reject (the truth), nations before you did indeed reject (the truth); and nothing is incumbent on the messenger but a plain delivering (of the message).

From these verses, it becomes clear that Prophet Muhammad's duty was only to deliver the Message (the Qur'aan).
and he did deliver the message.

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter?

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

this is the message. eternal jihad. endless war in the name of allah.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 04:05 PM   #415
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[13.40] And We will either let you see part of what We threaten them with or cause you to die, for only the delivery of the message is (incumbent) on you, while calling (them) to account is Our (business).

The verse 13:40 makes clear that people can be brought to account even in this life and Allah does not have to wait for the Day of Resurrection.
again here

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth

so, allah is happy for his justice to be dispensed by his followers against the unbelievers. remember that next time there is a suicide bombing or some other mass killing, the quran says thats allahs will. this is not a misunderstanding, its a plain reading of the word of allah.
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Old May 11th, 2017, 09:45 AM   #416
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It is important in this
Muslim is not the initiator of the murder and evil

But
Aggression pays

There are unjust
And oppressed

allah is innocent from the evil deeds of people

allah did not command the people to steal or commit adultery or kill innocent people or drink wine

On the contrary,
allah put laws and stiff penalties for those outrageous acts
In monotheistic religions

The same principles and sanctions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23L7Mb0d_RI

This is wrong

This is the law of God on Earth


194. The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of Equality (Qisas). Then whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is with Al-Muttaqun
Example

I'm going to kill your children and your spouse in front of your eyes

Then
You do not get angry
Sit and guided me
By the mind and wisdom to the right path

What do you think?

Are these words accepted by the mind?


World inside it) good and evil (

Must resist evil before occurrence by the mind and wisdom

But
After occurrence
This is something for the inevitable
Because it is people's rights
Should not be lost
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qibla change in islam

Yes indeed

This is in the distant past

but now
First to know is that the prophet prayed towards Al-Aqsa mosque before Hijrah, and after it, he prayed towards it for about seventeen months until Rajab of the second year (according to Ibn Abbas), when Allah ordered him to pray towards Kaabah.

Did the Prophet pray towards Al-Aqsa at the order of Allah or at his own decision?

The majority of scholars agreed that it was at the order of Allah, the following ayah is an evidence:




And thus we have made you a just community that you will be witnesses over the people and the Messenger will be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided. And never would Allah have caused you to lose your faith. Indeed Allah is, to the people, Kind and Merciful.

Surat Al-Baqarah:143.

In this verse Allah says that he made the old qiblah (Al-Aqsa) for a reason (rest of the ayah), so this is an evidence that Allah is who chose Al-Aqsa as the first Qibla.

However, other scholars (the minority) say that he prayed towards it at his own decision, they say that although he did so, Allah wouldn't let him do that if he was wrong. Others say that he is preserved from mistaking.

However, even if it was at his own decision (although it wasn't), he used to pray towards Al-Aqsa through Kaabah. For after Hijrah, he probably chose it based on this ayah:




And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah . Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.

Surat Al-Baqarah:115.






The place of the Dome of the Rock is told to be the place from which the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ascended to heaven at the night of Israa and Miraj, hence its importance.


The First Qibla of Islam was toward Bitul-Maqdis, which is now in Jerusalem. Muslims used to pray Salat towards this Qibla, until this Ayat is revealed:

We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do 1

This hadith From Anas (R.A) which is recorded in Sahih Muslim is saying this:

Anas reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to pray towards Bait-ul-Maqdis, that it was revealed (to him):" Indeed We see the turning of the face to heaven, wherefore We shall assuredly cause thee to turn towards Qibla which shall please thee. So turn thy face towards the sacred Mosque (Ka'ba)" (ii. 144). A person from Banu Salama was going; (he found the people) in ruk'u (while) praying the dawn prayer and they had said one rak'ah. He said in a loud voice: Listen! the Qibla has been changed and they turned towards (the new) Qibla (Ka'ba) in that very state.



Before the Quran came from Allah the Bible (new & old testament) came from Allah . According to the old testament people were required to pray towards Jerusalem.

The origin of this is based in the Bible as below...

"If thy people go out to battle against their enemy, whithersoever thou shalt send them, and shall pray unto the LORD toward the city ( Jerusalem ) which thou hast chosen, and toward the house ( Baitul Makdas ) that I have built for thy name" [ 1 Kings 8:44 ]

So Mulsims were following that direction because that was the last known direction of prayer given by Allah until He changed it in the Quran towards Mecca based on the verse below...

"From whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; that is indeed the truth from the Lord. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do." [Quran 2:149]

Dr Zakir Naik: Why Islam Practices Qibla or Kaaba Idolatry? ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxRw4XtkSoE


▶ بشرى مجيء النبي محمد في كتب الديانات السابقة لذاكر نايك - YouTube


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDXzgbzt4_4
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Old May 11th, 2017, 04:57 PM   #417
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Muslim is not the initiator of the murder and evil
thats another lie. allah commands war in the quran, repeatedly.

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah!

sura 33:
26. And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allah brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.
27. And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which you had not trodden (before). And Allah is Able to do all things

sura 33 is about a time when muhammad led his armies against non believers, and conquered their lands, taking their land and lots of booty and slaves. yes, booty is the term allah uses to motivate the believers. but this was 1400 years ago, is it still relevant? lets see what the quran says:

sura 33:36. It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.

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allah did not command the people to steal or commit adultery or kill innocent people
more lies:

stealing:
69. So enjoy what you have gotten of booty in war,

and remember these are wars the muslims started, on the grounds that the others were not muslims.

capturing slaves
Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

raping slaves:
50. O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses

killing:
5. Then when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill the unbelievers wherever you find them

and remember sura 33:36. you dont want to make a plain error by failing to follow these instructions.
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طفل وسؤال خطير لماذا الله تحدى الشيطان ثم يعطية فرصة ليضلنا ذاكر نايك ابداع
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD1xGLPcRG4

معاق يسئل لماذا الله ترك الانجيل يتحرف وحفظ القران من التحريف Zakir Naik ذاكر نايك
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYymjCJVUHc
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Old May 16th, 2017, 04:12 PM   #419
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طفل وسؤال خطير لماذا الله تحدى الشيطان ثم يعطية فرصة ليضلنا ذاكر نايك ابداع
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD1xGLPcRG4

معاق يسئل لماذا الله ترك الانجيل يتحرف وحفظ القران من التحريف Zakir Naik ذاكر نايك
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYymjCJVUHc
you like quote people talking about good and evil and discussing philosophical ideas. but has it occured to you that these people never discuss islam? these videos arent about islam, they are about these peoples individual opinions about the world.

this is islam:

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah!

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter?

why dont you post vidoes of people reading the quran and following it? oh, of course, the people who are doing that are the nutcases from islamic state, beheading and killing and butchering their way through anyone who dares disagree with them.

like muhammad did.

like the quran says.
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