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Old July 7th, 2014, 07:51 PM   #31
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Nah, here we are back @ the Nazi = liberal trope. It's tired, & you're trying to put way too much weight upon the critter.

The goose step (see Goose step - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

"The goose step is a special marching step performed on formal military parades and other ceremonies. While marching in parade formation, troops swing their legs in unison high off the ground, while keeping their legs straight and unbent.

"Originating in Prussian military drill in the mid-18th century, the step was called the Stechschritt (literally, "piercing step") or Stechmarsch. Nearly fifty countries maintain the tradition.

" "Goose step" is a pejorative term in English. It originally referred to a British military drill, in which one leg at a time was swung back and forth without bending the knee. Apparently standing on only one leg reminded soldiers of how geese often stand.[1][2]

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"Association with dictatorship[edit]

"Benito Mussolini, the fascist dictator of Italy, introduced the goose step in 1938 as the Passo Romano ("Roman Step"), but the custom was never popular in Italy's armed forces but only among the Blackshirts.[9] It was only tried in an experimental basis in the armed forces.

"The goose step was especially ridiculed by Allied propaganda during the world wars of the 20th century as a symbol of blind obedience and senseless attachment to military form. In the United States and Great Britain, the custom became virtually synonymous with German militarism. During WWII, it was condemned in George Orwell's essay The Lion and the Unicorn, and proved an easy target for parody in many editorial cartoons and Hollywood movies."

In short, liberals hardly march @ all. When they do, it's as if they're crossing a suspension bridge, broken cadences, linking arms, maybe singing or chanting responses to someone with a bullhorn - nary a military step @ all among them, & certainly not the reviled goosestep, emblematic of the Nazis & Fascisti.
You're pointlessly hung up on the metaphor and ignoring the substance.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 07:55 PM   #32
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You're pointlessly hung up on the metaphor and ignoring the substance.
And you are disingenuous in your pretending that you didn't use a Nazi reference as an intense pejorative.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 08:37 PM   #33
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another liberal lie:

bergdahl served with distinction
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OK, something more substantive. TMK, Sgt. Bergdahl volunteered for the military (see Bowe Bergdahl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for details)

He enlisted in the Army, trained & joined 25th Infantry Div. He served, although his behavior seems odd. He studied maps of Afghanistan, learned to converse in Pashto. He went missing in 2009, until he was traded in 2014.

I can't tell if he served with distinction. But he did serve, he sought out military service. Whether he had the right background is a good question - I suspect that it would have been better to keep him @ a desk as a translator than in the field as a dogface. But that's neither here nor there - however flawed the Army bureau of personnel, & Bergdahl's motivations, he went overseas willingly - to a hardship post, apparently working counterinsurgency.

I respect that - he was willing to go & serve. In fact, he went the extra mile in studying the terrain, presumably the Afghani culture & manners, & went so far as to learn to speak in Pashto. I assume it's a tough language to learn, but I'll defer to anyone here who speaks the language & has an opinion of the degree of difficulty.

Sgt. Bergdahl has undergone a lot, endured & put himself out there on our behalf. He may have been confused in his decision-making, or na´ve about his political understanding of the immediate tactical uses of force by US arms in Afghanistan. You can fault him for all kinds of things, I'm sure. & yet, he went & put his life on the line for us - as opposed to the jabbering pundits on CNN, Fox, etc. - who typically seem to have no idea how to handle a firearm, let alone an assault rifle.

For the rest of it - yah, he owes his fellows in his unit an explanation. For the rest of us - we may not ever get a satisfactory answer as to why he went beyond the wire. Life is full of mysteries, & sometimes we get answers, & sometimes we don't. I'm sure Army intel will interview him & try to get an answer. But it may not be anything we understand, or can accept.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 08:47 PM   #34
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And you are disingenuous in your pretending that you didn't use a Nazi reference as an intense pejorative.
i make no pretense i did not intend a pejorative. of course i did. liberals are over the top in their intolerance for any true dissent. in that sense they behave like nazis.

they have the bizarre notion that the only acceptable dissent is the dissent that agrees with them.
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i make no pretense i did not intend a pejorative. of course i did. liberals are over the top in their intolerance for any true dissent. in that sense they behave like nazis.

they have the bizarre notion that the only acceptable dissent is the dissent that agrees with them.
Watching cons and libs argue about who's more tolerant is like watching two vultures fight over an already-cleaned carcas.

Neither of you are very tolerant. Conservatives are not tolerant of anything that doesn't fit into the 1950's-esque idealized family/society and liberals are essentially intolerant of anyone who doesn't agree that whatever conservatives don't like is good.

Try and divorce yourselves from these stupid notions of tolerance and tradition or whatever. Try to focus a bit more on what's actually important- what's productive. It'd be funny in way to watch you fight if it wasn't a game that decides the way this country is run.
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productive? 1950's and 60's america produced more of everything and anything the world has ever seen.

productivity, prosperity, health and welfare increased everywhere in the world not held under by communist domination.
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Productive carries more connotations than just material productivity webguy, and don't try to pretend that conservative social structure and policy was the reason that American economy boomed- everyone knows it was the war that created international dependence on the United States while simoultaneously inventing the consumerism we have today by placing more purchasing power in the hands of citizens. It's absolutely disgusting that this system profits from the organized and agreed upon murder of human beings.

There is nothing productive about that.
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There are WMD's in Iraq. Oops.....sorry about those 4,400 dead soldiers.
If Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is being charged with use of a "weapon of mass destruction" by using a pressure cooker, then we certainly did find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
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Watching cons and libs argue about who's more tolerant is like watching two vultures fight over an already-cleaned carcas.
Nice.

This may not be accurate, but conservatives seem to be offended by things they see (nudity, violence, misconduct, etc).

Liberals seem to be offended by things other people say (racial, gay jokes or comments).
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If Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is being charged with use of a "weapon of mass destruction" by using a pressure cooker, then we certainly did find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
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Nah. The definition of weapon of mass destruction seems to be v. elastic. I don't know why bombing, murder, etc. isn't a sufficient charge, unless the weapon of mass destruction carries automatic penalties. Dzhokhar could face the death penalty.

In any event, Dzhokhar isn't Iraqi. See Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Early life[edit]

"Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (born July 22, 1993) was born in Kyrgyzstan. As a child, he emigrated with his family to Russia and then, when he was eight years old, to the United States under political asylum. The family settled in Cambridge and became U.S. permanent residents in March 2007. He became a naturalized U.S. citizen on September 11, 2012, while in college.[27][31][41] His mother, Zubeidat, also became a naturalized U.S. citizen, but it is not clear if his father, Anzor, ever did. Tamerlan, his brother, was unable to naturalize expeditiously due to an investigation against him, which held up the citizenship process.[125]"

Ethnically, he is Chechen-Avar, & holds US & Kyrgyzstani citizenship.
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