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Old June 21st, 2014, 07:07 AM   #61
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This is the nuttiest bunch of gobbledeegook I've read on this site since Absols inherited an Oxford dictionary....

Time to step in and add a bit of clarity. Beasty, chill out, dude. Rancor never accomplishes anything other than making one seem "out of ideas". It's a common refuge for someone that's talking through their hat...

Capitalism is deriving wealth from a perpetuation of what wealth you already have. IE: you work as a waiter for wages and tips. That's not Capitalism. But the interest you earn on the money you've invested is, indeed, Capitalism at work. Many tax departments make a distinction on how wealth is derived in a Capital Gains Tax. Make whatever you will of Capitalism...but it made the internet you are expounding it's "evil" (your word) upon.
Holy, holy, holy, eh?

Oxford definition of capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Let's go back to national socialism: the political doctrine of the Nazi Party of Germany. See Nazi.

Nazi: a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

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The Nazi Party was formed in Munich after World War I. It advocated right-wing authoritarian nationalist government and developed a racist ideology based on anti-Semitism and a belief in the superiority of “Aryan” Germans. Its charismatic leader, Adolf Hitler, who was elected Chancellor in 1933, established a totalitarian dictatorship, rearmed Germany in support of expansionist foreign policies in central Europe, and thus precipitated World War II. The Nazi Party collapsed at the end of the war and was outlawed in Germany.
One of the primary premises forwarded in this thread is some sort of equivocation between modern liberalism and "national socialism."

No....

Damn, those "conservatives" must be right about our schools having been dumbed down, and the funny part? They've been dumbed down and don't even know it.
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This is the nuttiest bunch of gobbledeegook I've read on this site since Absols inherited an Oxford dictionary....

Time to step in and add a bit of clarity. Beasty, chill out, dude. Rancor never accomplishes anything other than making one seem "out of ideas". It's a common refuge for someone that's talking through their hat...

Capitalism is deriving wealth from a perpetuation of what wealth you already have. IE: you work as a waiter for wages and tips. That's not Capitalism. But the interest you earn on the money you've invested is, indeed, Capitalism at work. Many tax departments make a distinction on how wealth is derived in a Capital Gains Tax. Make whatever you will of Capitalism...but it made the internet you are expounding it's "evil" (your word) upon.
That's not the definition of Capitalism, unfourtunately. I know what Capitalism is, and I never said I personally believe it's evil, I don't even believe in evil. I was just trying to demonstrate that by web guys own standard, Capitalism is just as "evil", if not moreso.
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Old June 21st, 2014, 07:20 AM   #63
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I listed my source, albeit an anecdotal one. What's yours, personal experience or anti-commie propaganda?
My first source are Canadian relatives who've been to Cuba. I'll give you a second source:

HAVANA: How Cuba became the newest hotbed for tourists craving sex with minors - Top Stories - MiamiHerald.com

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Foreign tourists, especially Canadians and Spaniards, are travelling to Cuba in surprising numbers for sex — and not just with adult prostitutes. They are finding underage girls and boys, a joint investigation by The Toronto Star and El Nuevo Herald has found.

Havana’s conspicuous scenes of street-level prostitution are the outward face of a hidden prostitution trade in minors, some as young as four, some with families complicit in their exploitation, the newspapers found.
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My first source are Canadian relatives who've been to Cuba. I'll give you a second source:

HAVANA: How Cuba became the newest hotbed for tourists craving sex with minors - Top Stories - MiamiHerald.com
Well, there ya go....

Capitalism and capitalists infecting a laid-back communist nation.
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I think most of the leftists here do too many drugs to be able to secure a job that pays well, if they can get any job at all.



The best they shoot for is to make everyone equally poor.
The story of Plymouth Plantation illustrates the natural result of socialism.



Envy and jealousy.
Always two of Satan's favorite sins.
Much evil is done in this world thanks to envy and jealousy!



One of the Ten Planks of Communism is to eliminate any and all inheritance.
I think the thought is that everyone needs to stay equal and if someone's parents worked really hard to make a better life for them than they
are evil and wrong and it should not be allowed.
For the "Greater Good", of course.
In every way communism is the finest expression of the worst in humanity cloaked in self righteous bullshit.
envy is a sin, jealousy is not. I started a thread once on the difference. how you act on a jealous motive may be a sin, but not the jealousy itself.
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yeah, that's socialism
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Old June 28th, 2014, 06:34 AM   #67
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capitalism is amoral, that is it is neither good not evil. it's the economics that I prefer because it preserves the option for the individual to act morally.

socialism is evil as I said before because it is sold by appealing to envy and implemented by theft. and under socialism, since charity functions are taken over by the government individual morality is undermined. "are you hungry and cold? don't bother me, the government will take care of you"
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capitalism is amoral, that is it is neither good not evil. it's the economics that I prefer because it preserves the option for the individual to act morally.

socialism is evil as I said before because it is sold by appealing to envy and implemented by theft. and under socialism, since charity functions are taken over by the government individual morality is undermined. "are you hungry and cold? don't bother me, the government will take care of you"
Hahahaha, "don't bother me, the government will take care of you"? Who do you think is putting money into the state for such care? It would be no different than paying to a charity organization, only rather than it being a private charity it's a charity run through the state. How the hell is that any less moral?

What is morality, anyway? You talk about this being evil, and that being moral, but what does that even mean? How do you decide what's moral on an objective basis?
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Hahahaha, "don't bother me, the government will take care of you"? Who do you think is putting money into the state for such care? It would be no different than paying to a charity organization, only rather than it being a private charity it's a charity run through the state. How the hell is that any less moral?

What is morality, anyway? You talk about this being evil, and that being moral, but what does that even mean? How do you decide what's moral on an objective basis?
it's less moral because there is no request for help, no gratitude. it's all "entitlement", funded by money taken from me and other taxpayers at the point of a gun with a threat of imprisonment. you don't see a difference?

I don't get it.
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it's less moral because there is no request for help, no gratitude. it's all "entitlement", funded by money taken from me and other taxpayers at the point of a gun with a threat of imprisonment. you don't see a difference?

I don't get it.
Everyone is entitled to live.

I see the difference but I don't care. It's not about what is more moral, it's about what works. A centrally run charity funded by a populace of 300 million through taxes is better equipped to deal with poverty in this country. You don't like it because you don't get to see people scared you may turn them down? Boo hoo. There are bigger issues to worry about.

Besides, the thing about charity is you're supposed to do it even if they are ungrateful. That's because it's not about you, it's about them.
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