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Old May 31st, 2014, 10:41 AM   #1
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what does "liberal" mean today?

when I was a kid, first thing it meant was anti-war (vietnam war in those days), not true today, liberals goin to war all over the place now.

it meant open minded and tolerant, not anymore

it meant personal liberty (at least I thought so), no government control.

it meant limited government. the idea of a sixties liberal calmly accepting obama's massive monitoring of individuals is ludicrous.

so what's a liberal in favor of these days?
gay marriage
nanny state
illegal immigration (which is equivalent to being pro-slavery)
stamping out any dissenting political speech
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Liberalism of today is the National Socialism of the 1930s
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I really don't see what you mean by your posts.

But my Statement is true.

National socialism supports

Progressive individual income tax Code (so do liberals)
Progressive corporate tax code (so do liberals)
Heavy government control of education (so do liberals)
Government run Retirement So do Liberals
Massive government control of healthcare even nationalized, (so do liberals)
limiting even banning private ownership of firearms (so do Liberals)
Group thinking (Political Correct Thinking) (So do Liberals)
Limiting private property rights (so do liberals)
confiscation of profits of private industry (so do liberals)
Control of energy sector of the economy (so do liberals)


if it walks like a National Socialist, Talks like a national Socialist, acts like a national socialist.

Good chance it is a national socialist.

Maxine Waters (D) Slip of the Tongue Reveals True Intentions (Socialism for America) - YouTube
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Liberalism today means you don't wish to have a group of bitter, old white turds dictating how you can live your life.
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Old May 31st, 2014, 01:37 PM   #7
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Liberalism today means you don't wish to have a group of bitter, old white turds dictating how you can live your life.
Wow. Well Spoken by a Bitter old White Dude... or Black Dude, or Asian Dude, or Native American dude.


Thanks for giving us a perfect example of the kind of "Political Correct Group think talking point" as would be used by a National Socialist of the 30s...

"National socialism of today means you don't wish to hve a bitter old Jewish turd dictating how you live your life."

man.. I can always count on you to prove my point 100%
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when I was a kid, first thing it meant was anti-war (vietnam war in those days), not true today, liberals goin to war all over the place now.

it meant open minded and tolerant, not anymore

it meant personal liberty (at least I thought so), no government control.

it meant limited government. the idea of a sixties liberal calmly accepting obama's massive monitoring of individuals is ludicrous.

so what's a liberal in favor of these days?
gay marriage
nanny state
illegal immigration (which is equivalent to being pro-slavery)
stamping out any dissenting political speech
Let me try to explain it through my own lens. Liberalism in the 60s was different from today, just like most ideologies. They do evolve over time.

Anti-war? Kinda. Liberals were certainly against the Vietnam War, BUT that doesn't automatically equate to "liberals always oppose war and will never engage in any military action ever." I mean I think most people are anti-war to an extent, to at the very least the notion that war should always be the last resort when all other options have failed.

Tolerance? Yes, but not to the caricature that the right likes to strawman out on occasion. Every side protests and boycotts words and actions they don't like.

Limited government? Again, two sides to the coin. Liberals and conservatives in this country both like their own kind of "big government". Nobody is pure as snow when it comes to that. And liberals do oppose the NSA's surveillance under Obama as they did under Bush, along with libertarians. The only people that flipped were establishment Democrats and Republicans.

Nanny state? No, not that caricature either.

A strong social support structure that can assist in times of need? Yes.

Most people, including those dreaded leftists or whatever, don't support cradle-to-grave welfare, and generally don't like the people who do take advantage of the system. We just want welfare/assistance/entitlements/etc. to be there when it is needed by whomever needs it at the time.

Gay marriage? Yes, although that is become the more moderate position these days. Was barely on the radar in the 60s at least.

Depending on the poll, usually half-to-more than half of the country supports legalizing same-sex marriage, and that does include most people who do consider themselves moderates and independents. Even young Republicans these days are waking up to the right side of history on this issue, in droves.
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Let me try to explain it through my own lens. Liberalism in the 60s was different from today, just like most ideologies. They do evolve over time.

Anti-war? Kinda. Liberals were certainly against the Vietnam War, BUT that doesn't automatically equate to "liberals always oppose war and will never engage in any military action ever." I mean I think most people are anti-war to an extent, to at the very least the notion that war should always be the last resort when all other options have failed.

Tolerance? Yes, but not to the caricature that the right likes to strawman out on occasion. Every side protests and boycotts words and actions they don't like.

Limited government? Again, two sides to the coin. Liberals and conservatives in this country both like their own kind of "big government". Nobody is pure as snow when it comes to that. And liberals do oppose the NSA's surveillance under Obama as they did under Bush, along with libertarians. The only people that flipped were establishment Democrats and Republicans.

Nanny state? No, not that caricature either.

A strong social support structure that can assist in times of need? Yes.

Most people, including those dreaded leftists or whatever, don't support cradle-to-grave welfare, and generally don't like the people who do take advantage of the system. We just want welfare/assistance/entitlements/etc. to be there when it is needed by whomever needs it at the time.

Gay marriage? Yes, although that is become the more moderate position these days. Was barely on the radar in the 60s at least.

Depending on the poll, usually half-to-more than half of the country supports legalizing same-sex marriage, and that does include most people who do consider themselves moderates and independents. Even young Republicans these days are waking up to the right side of history on this issue, in droves.
Liberalism of the 60s is the TEA Party... JFK.

Lower taxes, less Regulation.... Strong military.
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Old May 31st, 2014, 02:10 PM   #10
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I really don't see what you mean by your posts.

But my Statement is true.

National socialism supports

Progressive individual income tax Code (so do liberals)
Progressive corporate tax code (so do liberals)
Heavy government control of education (so do liberals)
Government run Retirement So do Liberals
Massive government control of healthcare even nationalized, (so do liberals)
limiting even banning private ownership of firearms (so do Liberals)
Group thinking (Political Correct Thinking) (So do Liberals)
Limiting private property rights (so do liberals)
confiscation of profits of private industry (so do liberals)
Control of energy sector of the economy (so do liberals)


if it walks like a National Socialist, Talks like a national Socialist, acts like a national socialist.

Good chance it is a national socialist.

Maxine Waters (D) Slip of the Tongue Reveals True Intentions (Socialism for America) - YouTube
You do know that Nazism wasn't this leftist dream ship right?

Nazism was heavily into nationalism and racialism, things liberals aren't known for. You don't see liberals claiming the idea of a master race, they embrace multiculturalism. And I can't tell you the number of times conservatives have accused liberals of "blaming America first". Doesn't sound like the right believes the left is patriotic, much less nationalistic. The Nazis also openly and vehemently opposed homosexuality and miscegenation and believed in strict gender roles for men and women and; again, things liberals aren't known for. Gun rights were actually expanded from where they were during the Weimar Republic, unless you were a German Jew of course. Socially, they were about as right-wing at the time as you could get.

Economically it gets very hairy. Hitler espoused socialism and the Nazi Party was quite anti-capitalist... and anti-communist, but a lot of his rhetoric against those economic systems was a tool to spread antisemitism because he believed that the Jews were behind them or something . Hitler did support private property and economic competition... but only if it helped to better serve the State. The Nazis spoke at great length on praising the working man and labor unions, even making May Day a paid national holiday, but also banned strikes and sitouts. Kind of like capitalism encased in a socialist dome I suppose.

Really when you think about it, then name is a bit of a giveaway, National Socialist German Workers' Party. You've got words that both the righties and the lefties liked at the time.
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