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Old June 10th, 2014, 05:39 AM   #31
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It many not have resulted in a loss of freedom to the individual being helped, but I agree...to give to person A requires taking something from person B

Now, when has the government ever undertaken to police the morals of the citizens that has not resulted in a loss of liberty to the individual?
so we're agreed to be against "hate crimes" legislation and other forms of thought policing then?
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Old June 10th, 2014, 05:41 AM   #32
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so we're agreed to be against "hate crimes" legislation and other forms of thought policing then?
Oh look, he wants to be free to hate. Oh where have the 1950's gone ?... LOL
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Oh look, he wants to be free to hate. Oh where have the 1950's gone ?... LOL
Lol!
That your response to ending racist legislation that is intended to be used against one race to the advantage of another?

In the 1950s one could go into any inner city after dark and not get murdered, robbed, or raped.
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I want to be free to think as I please, and accountable for my actions to the extent other people are effected.
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so only liberals are "free to hate"?
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so we're agreed to be against "hate crimes" legislation and other forms of thought policing then?
Yes, I oppose hate crime legislation.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 05:39 PM   #37
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I want to be free to think as I please, and accountable for my actions to the extent other people are effected.
That strikes me as an eminently reasonable position. People should be at liberty to hate (if they want to waste the energy) or to love or approve or disapprove as they wish. Any effort to police my thinking is over the line. And generally unenforceable (absent a snitch society). Punishing one for their actions is another matter all together...punish the act, not the thought that lead to it. After all, if I kill you (or beat you) it is probably reasonable to assume I REALLY, REALLY didn't like you.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 05:44 PM   #38
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so only liberals are "free to hate"?
Everybody hates. If they say they don't then they are lying. It isn't a province of a particular political philosophy, everyone does it. It is just that it looks different, worse somehow, when the other person is doing it...or someone is hating on something we like...or we empathize with the subject group.

No, it isn't being "free" to hate either. We can't help hating when it occurs. No one says, I think I will start hating (fill in the blank). They discover they do usually unexpectedly.

Some things really aren't political.
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Old August 13th, 2014, 06:32 PM   #39
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I want to be free to think as I please, and accountable for my actions to the extent other people are effected.
Even that needs clarification. Canada has a system of Kangaroo courts to which a panel of deciders, usually bleeding hearts are appointed and they are not judges nor is any kind of legal training a prerequisite. They do have the power to subpoena people, and they can issue legally binding fines and things like forcing at the defendant's expense the publishing of retractions or apologies. But the biggest problem, IMO is that the criteria of establishing guilt is the complainant has to feel he has been harmed, rather than there having been actual harm incurred. Totally ridiculous.

So how should "be affected" be defined?
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Even that needs clarification. Canada has a system of Kangaroo courts to which a panel of deciders, usually bleeding hearts are appointed and they are not judges nor is any kind of legal training a prerequisite. They do have the power to subpoena people, and they can issue legally binding fines and things like forcing at the defendant's expense the publishing of retractions or apologies. But the biggest problem, IMO is that the criteria of establishing guilt is the complainant has to feel he has been harmed, rather than there having been actual harm incurred. Totally ridiculous.

So how should "be affected" be defined?
effected, damage to person or property. hurt feelings? too bad.
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