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Old April 20th, 2017, 09:31 AM   #111
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Obviously referring to the idea that a teenager (less than 18 ) should be able to get an abortion without parental consent. But parents can't get school vouchers to send kids to private schools.
Does that sound good to you?
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Old April 20th, 2017, 09:34 AM   #112
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And if letting the parents know their teenager is pregnant endangers the welfare of the teenager that's just tough noogies?
How would that happen? Please explain in great detail.
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Old April 20th, 2017, 09:37 AM   #113
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i am disinterested in the financial aspects of it, just the ethics. a 16 year old girl asks their parents for permission to have a termination, and the parents say no. you are ok with that. with a 16 year old girl forced, against her will, to go through 10 months of pregnancy and deliver a baby against her wishes.

she doesnt want to. she doesnt want to face those risks, it is not in her interests physically or mentally, or socially, or in any way, she can see that the best thing is a quick and early termination. but mummy and daddy are idealogues who disagree, and they force their opinion onto her body.

and you are ok with that?

now, lets look at the other side. 16 year old girl gets pregnant and wants to keep it. but mummy and daddy dont want her to, they think its going to harm her future, so they make the decision that she has a termination. its their decision to make, after all, she is a minor, the child is not her responsibility, that lies with her parents.

so the authorities come around, kick in her bedroom door, drag her kicking and screaming to the hospital where she is ,presumably, tied down, medicated and given an abortion that she clearly doesnt want.

i must assume you are ok with this too?
Wait for it, how about she doesn't have sex under age when she is not ready to be a parent! Does that make sense to anybody?
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Old April 20th, 2017, 09:40 AM   #114
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Who has legal custody of the new baby. the legal responsibility for the baby?
The 15 year old kid or her parents?
How about the father of the baby? What are his legal rights/responsibilities?
What about the fathers rights when said female has abortion without his consent?

If the parents say the girl has to carry it they should be financially responsible, along with the fathers parents, until said time they can afford to do it themselves. That includes paying for the college careers of said children. Accountability is a word that seems foreign to many of you.
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Old April 20th, 2017, 09:46 AM   #115
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i know that sounds sensible, and usually thats what happens, not many people have abortions without those closest to them not knowing. but sometimes its kept secret for good reasons.

imagine a family with parents who, from their perspective, "impose strict discipline" which is their euphemism for "perpetrators of domestic violence". they have drilled into their childs head that abortion is murder, and if they ever have an abortion they will be punished just like any murderer would be. they have also been told that premarital sex is a sin that will also be punished.

if a 15 year old in that family gets pregnant, it really isnt a good idea that the parents find out.
So wait her parents being fire, and brimstone Christians, and are against murder, and premarital sex, are going to do what exactly, kill her, or God forbid take away her phone? Think it through, I like you but this makes no sense to me.
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Old April 20th, 2017, 09:49 AM   #116
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wrong. the actual answer is "have a backyard abortion with a coathanger".

it isnt possible to ban abortion, because a woman can always give herself one, or try at least. the choice is never "there will be abortions done in america" or there will not be abortions done in america" thats a lie, thats a false dichotomy that fails to reflect reality.

the actual choice is "abortions in america will be done by trained experienced professionals with the best available equipment in a safe medical environment" or "abortions in america will be done alone in the bathroom with a coat hanger"

choose.
Then let them, if they are that stupid!

As for your last statement
, like kermit gosnell
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Old April 20th, 2017, 10:30 AM   #117
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Wait for it, how about she doesn't have sex under age when she is not ready to be a parent! Does that make sense to anybody?
Look up statistics about unwanted births and STDs among practitioners of Abstinence Only programs.

Concentrate on their spokesperson, Bristol Palin.
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Old April 20th, 2017, 10:32 AM   #118
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Then let them, if they are that stupid!

As for your last statement
, like kermit gosnell
And there you have it. Congratulations, you never fail to disappoint.
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Senseless is on a rationalizing binge.
He seems to forget that they aren't his kids.
it's none of his fucking business.
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Old April 20th, 2017, 04:56 PM   #120
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Wait for it, how about she doesn't have sex under age when she is not ready to be a parent! Does that make sense to anybody?
excellent in principle. but people are human and sometimes fail to live up to their own standards. yes, she knows she is immature, yes she knows she isnt ready to raise a child, yes she knows how to use a condom. but she gets pregnant anyway. that happens. she isnt evil, she just made a mistake. maybe a series of mistakes. human beings do that.

so, she gets pregnant. now what?
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